Why is Bethesda refusing to cooperate with fans in this matter...people want to see these pivotal gods

Why is Bethesda not listening?

you silly dragonborn, you are shor, also in a round about way you met alduin...hes like an aspect of the time-god...or something

Or if you can't stand the fact your a stand in for the space-god then his presence would burn the jelly out of your eyes,

Akatosh was in Oblivion (and Skyrim too, if you don't like retcons), and you pretty much are Shor. But his corpse is floating up there as the moons, so you can look at him any time you want.

In Skyrim you play as, I think, a Shezzarine and therefore a newer, sixier iteration of Shor. Akatosh is the final boss of the MQ, in a heaven-shed form.

Can't only humans be Shezzarines?

Maybe when shor was all full of elf hate, that talos thing really mellowed him down, why i even heard the...protagonist who mantled pelinal had a 3/5 chance to not be a human race :gasp:

No. I think it's more a question of function. A person has to be Lorkhanic, but that can mean any number of things. If you play up the love angle instead of the hate one it works, and it just has to look like it works to work.

Because it's their game and we don't decide what they do with it.

People seem to be finding this hard to grasp as of late.

EDIT: By "fans" I assume you mean yourself. Please don't forget the small minority of fans who aren't yourself.

Look up at the Sky. See those moons?

That's Lorkhan. Or Shor, for you Nords.

Go back to Oblivion. We saw an avatar of Aka. Go see Alduin. If retcons are wrong, he is Aka.

What's all this about retcons? There are no retcons in TES. Only old misinterpretations and newer misinterpretations.

I suppose "Lack of a better term" would be the proper way to refer to our use of the word Retcon.

We've already witnessed them as far as we're able. We're just not equipped to view Time and Space in their full glories.

You can't see Aka. But the creaking in your bones as you get out of bed lets you know he's there.

And Arkay is the man in the black robe and hood with a scythe who seems to be following you a lot lately.

Seeing somebody and/or being them in no way constitutes meeting them. I've seen many people who I've never met, nor have I ever met myself.

I'm sorry, it appears you missed the Skyrim General Discussion forum. That is the official location for whining about Bethesda not doing what you want while simultaneously positing that what you want is what everyone wants.

This is not lore-related.

I can't imagine anyone who knows this lore not wanting to meet Akatosh and Lorkhan (assuming he is the same as Shor). These gods are in every single religion in Tamriel. The two of them affect everything. Heck the reason the Khajit were thrown into confusion is because the Thalmor were able to take Lorkhan's body out of the sky for two years.


The quarrel between Man and Mer started because of what Lorkhan did in the dawn, which forced the Mer to lose their connection to divinity


We have met other deities of less importance from Sheo to Jygg to Dagon....yet Bethesda avoids these two like cancer?


Also I do not agree that he dragonborn is Shor. In Sovngarde you a told specifically that Shor cannot appear because his Mien is too bright.

Because knowing that beth can't make them right? I'd more eagerly meet some of their less known sides in text form. Yeah i'm whineyboy but overall my impression is that TES is too grand for videogame-format, atleast done by Bethesda. Execution is too mundane, too watered down, each time. Even with things which have just one aspect such as Sheo, Jygg. Let's not go into something as complex as Auriel/Akatosh and Shor/Lorkhan.

Now going back to lore: But overall your text is a mess, lore-wise. You at the same time agree that body of Lorkhan is in heaven as moons and at same time insist that we should meet Lorkhan (all it takes is to lift your head at night in-game)... And ignore the fact that we played as Pelinal in Oblivion's KOTN or that Dragonborn was mantling Shor (refuse if you want i don't care). Or unbinding his heart in Morrowind. Oh and lets not forget Wulf the Old Legionare. And first and foremost lets not forget that Lorkhan at start was just an urge.

And same with Akatosh, we saw him in Oblivion, met his lesser form in Skyrim, we see him as flow of time.

Both have probably tens of different aspects and incarnations so how can you insist on meeting them and ignore the fact that you have met both of them various times in TES-series? I don't comprehend.

Those are Daedra, and with no 'less importantance', if you know what role they had played in this kalpa.
Aedra communicate with mortals in different ways other than those of Daedra. You just can't 'meet' Akatosh/Shor as you 'meet' Sheograth. Also you meet Akatosh/Shor/Kynareth/Arkay/Dibella/Mara/Julianos/Stendarr/Zenithar everytime everyday, that you can't do the same with those Daedra.
And if you mean the aspects, who is that dragon fired Dagon out if he's not Akatosh himself? Had this aspect talked to you? Don't say no as Martin Septim had so many dialogs with you.

You aren't mantling Shor in Skyrim. You are no Shezzarine. People just apply mantling to everything. They do not know that you cannot mantle if you are an Incarnation. Talos was an Incarnation of Akatosh, so he Mantled Lorkhan because he couldn't mantle Akatosh because as a Dragonborn he WAS Akatosh.

Wait a minute, Talos was NOT a dragonborn. He mantled Lorkhan because Tiber Septim was mortal Akatosh with Wulfharth the Shezarrine and Zurin Arctus a mortal Magnus and all three fullfilled their roles in convention, this active bore a full-meaning Talos (not just the name given to Tiber Septim) and by mantling the convention Talos mantled Lorkhan.That Hjalti in Tiber Septim, or we say Tiber Septim himself was a dragonborn, he acted as a ruler as Akatosh, either he mantled Akatosh as a Shezarrine, or he was just an Akatosh incarnate (Akatoshine? Aurieline? Akaine?), both were within the meaning of a dragonborn.

Oh my goodness...Clarity is needed badly here


Martin Septim took the power of Akatosh to defeat Dagon. Martin was NOT Akatosh, he was Martin.

Talos was not an incarnation of Shor or Akatosh. Talos was a man gifted with the soul of a dragon by Akatosh. Dragonborn.

Characters like Wulfharth are Shezzarines, Avatars of Lorkhan or Shezzar. They are capable of bizarre things like Wulfharth being resurrected from ashes after he died at Red Mountain. Talos was not the same. Hjatl was man who ascended to become a god.


We did not play as Pelinal (Ada) in Kotn. We were the CoC who sought the crusaders artifacts to defeat Umaril. Pelinal and Morihaus are Ada, we were not.


Lorkhan has been acting in the world and helping Men to fight Mer for ages.



....now perhaps folks can get their facts straight

Apparently not.

Martin Septim was born with dragonblood, an incanation of Akatosh, so at last with the artifacts COC fetched he could finally become Akatosh, while COC by his deeds played the Lorkhan part-remember Aka and Lorkhan are two sides of one coin? Without another there is no one.

All Aedra gave parts of themselves to the mortal world, they ARE the mortal world. Akatosh is the TIME every single mortal uses to measure the sequence from their birth to death, and Lorkhan is the SPACE every single mortal bears in and departs from. Mortals speak through Kynareth, bond through Mara and attract to each other through Dibella. These are the Aedra. Lorkhan never hated the elves as elves are mortal, and Lorkhan loves his idea of mortal world and all mortals. Shor hated the elves. That is why we say Shor is an aspect of Lorkhan, a nordic-elves-hater aspect of Lorkhan. The same goes to Aka and Auriel, and that is why we can have Akatosh the human lover, a human aspect of Aka ripped most of the Auriel aspects off.

Every mortal is an Aedroth, just as every demora is a Daedroth. The difference between mortal Aedra and immortal Aedra like dragons is that mortals not only bond to TIME but also SPACE, while the Mundus is an idea from SPACE. Less Aka-bond introduces Arkay the circle, while those immortal Aedra has nothing to do with that circle, but these immortal Aedra are also too bonded with TIME that they change whenever a dragonbreak occurs.

I don't think Martin ever tried to cut out the COC's heart. And Lorkhan didn't go around fetching things for Akatosh.