When did Pelinal come from?

Post » Thu May 03, 2012 9:09 pm

Wait.. Isn't Pelinal have close ties to Akatosh? Isn't Akatosh the God of time and whatnot? Would make sense that he was told things, or had visions of the future due to these close ties. Just saying, thats my arguement against the whole cyborg time traveler theory ha

I think a lot of the details on pelinal are just metaphors or over exaggerations. Bethesda did a great job of leaving holes and broken pieces to the story, making it really feel like we're deciphering old texts and trying to figure out what all of it really means. Records indicate that he lacks a heart, which commonly means he doesn't have compassion or mercy which would make sense. He later makes friends with the bull and it really humanizes him to me. My theory is that he has Extremely close ties to Akatosh and Shor, maybe even being controlled by them. Being controlled by two opposing Gods seems like it would have catastrophic effects on a persons mental stability ;) but that could also explain his immense power.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 6:32 am

Wait.. Isn't Pelinal have close ties to Akatosh? Isn't Akatosh the God of time and whatnot? Would make sense that he was told things, or had visions of the future due to these close ties. Just saying, thats my arguement against the whole cyborg time traveler theory ha
His armor was one of the most telling things of his time traveling nature.

Pelinal had "ties" to Akatosh because he was a self-aware Shezzarine, thus he shares Lorkhan's dichotomy with Akatosh. Pelinal went around killing elves by the thousands, and that's not the type of guy Akatosh would like and would go sharing secrets with.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 2:13 pm

His armor was one of the most telling things of his time traveling nature.

Pelinal had "ties" to Akatosh because he was a self-aware Shezzarine, thus he shares Lorkhan's dichotomy with Akatosh. Pelinal went around killing elves by the thousands, and that's not the type of guy Akatosh would like and would go sharing secrets with.
yet, he also shared the dragon of time's madness, as he unmade the world during his moments of madness.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 11:21 am

How do we know there wasn't any Chain/plate armor in that era?

I thought Pelinal was created by the divines to stop the elves? If that was the case I don't think Akatosh would have problems with him

(Not trying to cause any offense, just trying to make sense of all of this)
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 6:07 am

Pelinal went around killing elves by the thousands, and that's not the type of guy Akatosh would like and would go sharing secrets with.
Why did Akatosh appear to Alessia then? Why did Akatosh give Pelinal one of the Relics? Akatosh preferring Elves is just what the Thalmor want everyone to think.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 9:45 pm

Why did Akatosh appear to Alessia then? Why did Akatosh give Pelinal one of the Relics? Akatosh preferring Elves is just what the Thalmor want everyone to think.
Other accounts say it was Lorkhan who appeared before Alessia. Also, Pelinal came equipped with the relics, not given by that false god, Akaotsh.

How do we know there wasn't any Chain/plate armor in that era?
most other accounts pointed that leather armor was hot [censored], with chainmail being there for the greatest hot[censored] there was. the only other race, recorded, to have platemail was the dwemer, who had already long disappeared.

I thought Pelinal was created by the divines to stop the elves? If that was the case I don't think Akatosh would have problems with him
He was Shezarr and Akatosh in one being. For the most part, he was Shezarr, but doing his moments of madness, he become the dragon of time and completely and utterly ravaged areas. Also, shouts of praises to Reman were made, even though it'd be another ~2000 years before Reman.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 8:31 pm

So if he was Akatosh that would explain how he could forsee Reman rightt? aren't Akatosh and Lorkhan against each other?
And if the armor was created by the divines, wouldn't it be naturally a lot more advanced ?
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 9:51 am

So if he was Akatosh that would explain how he could forsee Reman right?
Well...yes and no. He was Shezarr most of the time, but during his insanities, he became the dragon of time. And it was during these periods that time did not matter, which was why he foresaw Reman and sung praises to him.

Also, aren't Akatosh and Lorkhan against each other?
Well...again, not really. 2/3 of the god of time aspects (Auriel and Alduin)is against the space god (lorkhan/shor/shezarr). Akatosh was a political invention of Alessia that became truth.

And if the armor was created by the divines, wouldn't it be naturally a lot more advanced ?
At the time, it was the most advanced [censored] for 3000 years.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 5:51 am

Thanks for all of the answers! Learned a bit more about my favorite character in the TES series
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 3:57 pm

It does really help if you read http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:The_Song_of_Pelinal in its entirety, if you haven't already. But yeah, he is my favorite character of TES, because he is an unabashed mer hater, and a total BA (yes, ironic, considering my avatar)
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 10:22 am

the only other race, recorded, to have platemail was the dwemer, who had already long disappeared.
They disappeared 450 years later, didn't they?
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 7:47 pm

Phhtt, there goes my sense of history again.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 5:34 pm

Wait, wait, wait. I do believe I missed something. When was it revealed that Pelinal is from the future? Or did I just never catch that in the Knights of the Nine? I thought he was an avatar of Shor.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 11:06 am

When was it revealed that Pelinal is from the future?
It was revealed in the past, of course. At least that is what M'eyap's sense of history is telling to M'eyap.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 1:28 pm

He's not from the future, that was just one possible explanation for all the weird events that happened. I believe he just had close ties to Akatosh that allowed him to glimpse into the future.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 11:04 am

I think he is the sole survivor from a middle dawn parallel kalpa that ceased to exist.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 4:02 pm

I think he is the sole survivor from a middle dawn parallel kalpa that ceased to exist.
Yah, no. The only hint of his origins make it seem more mundane
That he took the name "Pelinal" was passing strange, no matter his later sobriquets, which were many. That was an Elvish name, and Pelinal was a scourge on that race, and not much given to irony. Pelinal was much too grim for that; even in youth he wore white hair, and trouble followed him...
So no, I highly doubt he's some pre-kalpa snake monkey entity, whose rituals involve throwing of the sacred feces while dancing on the stars of the nevertheres.

Nevertheless, his armor is and was like anything unlike what has been seen, his power was very legendary as he was able to utterly destroy places, he's related to Morihaus, being the "uncle" of the relationship, and embodies both Shezarr and Akatosh. He is very much the incarnation of the time and space god in one, and is around the level of divinity of Morihaus.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 7:05 am

He came from a time like this....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhRUe-gz690

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voc9TrSVVOA

That explains his occasional insanity.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 7:24 am

You guys do realize that the whole Space Core things is just a mod, right? Its a free fun thing that Valve made. Just because Valve made it doesn't make it lore, that would mean every mod was lore. I'm not sure if everyone's getting this.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 8:12 am

You guys do realize that the whole Space Core things is just a mod, right? Its a free fun thing that Valve made. Just because Valve made it doesn't make it lore, that would mean every mod was lore. I'm not sure if everyone's getting this.

You do realize that space stuff was already part of the lore well before that came out, right? I'm not sure if everyone's getting that.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 3:01 pm

I just mean the Space Core. It seems like some people were taking it as lore and being offended or something.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 2:14 pm

You guys do realize that the whole Space Core things is just a mod, right? Its a free fun thing that Valve made. Just because Valve made it doesn't make it lore, that would mean every mod was lore. I'm not sure if everyone's getting this.

No, we didn't.

No, really, we didn't.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 3:15 pm

You guys do realize that the whole Space Core things is just a mod, right? Its a free fun thing that Valve made. Just because Valve made it doesn't make it lore, that would mean every mod was lore. I'm not sure if everyone's getting this.

You do realize this thread is relatively old right? Back then, it was much more plausible to believe it was lore because it was thought to be an official DLC but noow we know otherwise.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 3:32 pm

Oh, okay. Sorry, I didn't think to check the dates of those posts. But still, it's kind of silly to think that a Portal crossover may be canon. Oh well, sorry for any inconvenience.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 7:35 am

That's a really interetsing idea that you came up with! However, I think it's wrong for two reasons:

1) I'm pretty sure Pelinal was flung back in time via a dragon break

2) Pelinal knew who Reman was, but how many people mentioned that guys name in the third or fourth eras? Obviously, he wasn't forgotten or anything, but I just think that the fact Reman's name was on Pelinal's mind means that their association must have been closer.

so I think that Pelinal came from a dragon break that occurred in the second era, possibly during Reman's lifetime.
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