I know that hircine created werewolves but when did he? Wer they always their? How long did it take? Since hircine is a deadra does that mean all were creatures would be considered technicaly deadra? Has he stopped creating them? If not does he only create them during the bloodmoons? If not how does he gather them to the location of the next bloodmoon? Has Hircine acheived CHIM? What are the different types of lycanthropes? Can/will he create new types of them?Why are there only werewolves and not the other types of lycantropes during the bloodmoon? Are werewolves the easiest to make? Which of the deadra is Hircine closist to? Why do most other Deadra shun him?

1. Unknown.
2. Unknown. Presumably so.
3. Unknown.
4. No. It's a curse/disease.
5. No. You got the disease.
6. No. People seem to get the disease at anytime.
7. Wtf?
8. Werebears, Wereboars, Weresharks, Werecrocodiles. http://www.imperial-library.info/dfbooks/b036_lycanthropy.shtml
9. Unknown.
10. Gameplay/Gamedesign.
11. Unknown.
12. Unknown.
13. He stinks.

No one but two people have achieved CHIM. According to pieces of lore that have appeared in games, only two have achieved CHIM: Vehk and Talos. NO one else has; they either saw the Tower and disregarded it or didn't at all. Why do people think others have achieved CHIM when no lore at all mentions it?

To be technical, I haven't done alot of reading about lycanthropes, but I'm sure they've existed as long as Hircine has. And there are a lot of different types of lycanthropes: http://www.imperial-library.info/book_daedra/index.shtml#hircine (in Black Marsh) and others.

The "closest Daedra to" question seems kinda unlikely to get an answer. And i didn't know he was shunned by the other Lords.

edit: Proweler smooth ninja'd my ass.... <_<

He never washes his loincloth.

The reason I wondered if he has acheived CHIM is that the other deadra lords dont see him as a dreadra lord, so if he isnt a lord then he must have acheaived his place as the god of the hunt and the only way I've heard of acheaving goddom is from the heart of lorkan, and acheaving CHIM, so I naturly assumed CHIM.

Don't forget werelions and werevultures!!

Correction, he never washes in general. Unless bathing in the blood of the kill counts


Wrong daedric prince. The only two that have the princes calling them out of not being real daedra are Malacath and Sheogorath. Malacath, due to being Trinimac previously, and then getting pooped out as Malacath. Sheogorath is mentioned to also be an outcast prince when talking with Malacath. I have a feeling this is due to that he seems to have been created through a curse on Jyggy, and didn't exist prior to that. Plus, he also keep pulling practical jokes on the other princes, and they don't like it so much.

Was trinimac a dreadric lord before he was eaton?

No

Then what made him think he had to try to stop the chimer from leaving? :huh: (I geuss he paid for his mistake in the digestive track)

Trinimac was a hero-god of the Aldmer. If you were a hero-god, wouldn't you want to keep a whole group of people from splitting off from your chosen race?

Oh I see now :facepalm: How did he get such high status? and if his followers wer turned into orcs would'nt that mean there our more orsimer than any other mer?

He had always been a god-hero, and was the guy who cut out Shor's heart and had it case to what is now Red Mountain. And no, the only aldmer that turned to orcs were the ones that followed Trinimac. After Boethia had ate Trinimac, (s)he spoke with Trinimac's voice to raise the morale of the chimer and destroy the morale of the Trinimac followers. When Boethiah was done digesting Trinimac, (s)he pooped him out and he became Malacath. Upon seeing this (or something) all the aldmer that served Trinimac turned into orsimer and lived their lives as outcasts and pariahs (the word "orsimer" pretty much means Pariah Elves in a literal translation)

Might help if you guys explained the Elves generally believe the gods became weaker and weaker until they became mortals. As such there are no gods, only et'Ada, Ancestor Spirits.

My head hurts too much for that right now

I hate metaphysics.

Careful, he might hear you.

Because the Daedra are snobbish pricks that shun everybody. They don't like Malacath because he's not an original daedra, plus its part of his sphere. Meridia's too Anuic. Sheogorath wasn't originally one of them, plus he's crazy - Jyggalag fits in here too. They don't like Dagon because he's stupid. I expect as time goes we'll find out that all the Princes seem to think that they're the only real Daedric Princes, which might have some pretty fun metaphysical consequences...



Btw, where does it say that he's shunned anyway?

I'm honestly don't think it's mentioned anywhere.

Think OP got info mixed up.

Only when it gets wedged between my teeth and I can't flick it out.


I think they've already made this clear. Spheres and all that. Spheres are for chumps. Unless you share it with people who aren't chumps, then its not dull. stupid daedra

Then again, every prince is like an 8 year old with a gun. They may be immature, childish, and petty, but they have a gun and you don't

Dunno.

Though it is very human to believe that you're the best, most superior version of whatever group you are a part of. With that mentality combined with a god complex, it's easy to see why the Daedra would be jealous of each other and shun others except when they need them.

This quote is very wrong in so many ways. I am surprised no one commented.

Daedra are Daedra, if a mortal becomes a god that doesn't make them a Daedra. Case-in-point The King of Worms.
CHIM is not apothosis (becoming a god) it is something beyond the limitations of goodhood and universal constrants and has nothing to do with tapping the heart.



Perhaps it stems from On Oblivion?

But when Tiber Septom acheived CHIM it made him an Aedra didnt it? So why could'nt someone become a deadra the same way? :huh:
EDIT:thanks for clarifing the souce for me

I believe CHIM is above the whole IS/IS NOT thing, but is a TO BE thing.