Yes, the title is fanciful. You wanna fight about it?

Anyway, I've beaten the game once, working for Mr. House, but that was purely gaming and not roleplaying. I've now created a new character and I want to really Role-Play. I'm focusing on Unarmed, Survival, Barter, and Speech, carrying a realistic amount of gear (including trash like a harmonica, a pack of cigarettes, a large whiskey bottle, a shot-glass, etc.), and in playing Hard-Core mode. My idea is that most normal folks would have little formal weapons training. I grabbed Love&Hate and have been beating mutants into submission for daring to interrupt my package recovery and delivery.

However, I've hit a dilemna. I'm unsure what path I want to follow: Joining The Legion and putting my brawling to good use, or following the path that appears to make more sense and working for the House, oncemore. The Legion has done little to endear themselves to my character, at all, now that I've reached Vegas. And I see no reason why the Courier would join the Legion if they constantly treat him like crap. However, I've already played with House and I think the Legion might be interesting.

I come here to open the floor to you lot, and ask for convincing arguements to bet on The House or the Legion (hence the title). And before any of you start: I don't think I want to join the NCR or Yes-Man. The NCR have just come off as lazy, vice-filled, and greedy (save for First Recon snipers) and I'd rather be The Dragon to a Big Bad (for the TvTropes fans out there) than rule Vegas myself, hence why I'm not joining Yes-Man.

P.S. Can I have Victor throw Oliver off the Dam, as I'm not following Yes-Man? I never tried to see if I could do that on my original play-through.

*prepares for Josh's Pro-Legion comment*

EDIT: Lol @Names comment.

I like both Mr. House and the Legion but I like the Legion more. Heres some reasons to side with them.

1. They're not NCR.

2. Caesars Legion cares about a better future in the Wasteland, sure they have some brutal and horrible ways of getting things done but they work.

3. Once you get liked by the Legion they won't call you a "profligate" or "wastrel".

4. There armor is pretty kick ass.

5. Vulpes Inculta is a bad ass.

6. They crucify NCR.

7. They kill NCR.

8. They despise NCR.

9. Your characters skills match those of the Legion.

10. You already did a House play through.

Note: If you do end up choosing Legion and since you are role-playing you should follow the Legions rules of banned items (no alcohol, drugs etc).

Go with House. House is the best thing for the Vegas region. Heck, he even prepared for the War 17 years before it happened. THEN he civilizes three of the largest tribes around, revives a glimpse of Las Vegas, and with the Platinum Chip, Mr. House will rebuild the Vegas region and turn it into a economic and technological marvel.

Also, NCR and Legion only lose the fight, they will still have their territories to defend. Now House will have his own. AND, unlike the Legion, he doesnt torture people to enforce laws, people know not to screw with a heavily armored securitron Mk ll.

Points 2, 4, and 5 are all very true. Vulpes Inculta is awesome. But he didn't try to -recruit- my character. He just wasn't as rude.

However, on point 2: how is that any different from Mr. House? If anything, Mr. House cares more about Vegas and the Wasteland in that he's focused upon it. While Caesar does plan to make Vegas his new Rome, he still has all ove Arizona and the East (Flagstaff, the former Capital, Zion, Two Sun, etc.) to worry about as well.

What differentiates the Legion from Mr. House and makes them, well, better?

(Remember, Securitrons secure roads for travelers just as well as Legionaires.)

Edit: Colonel Martyr - Yes, but then you have three, seperate states:, the Mojave, California, and Rome. Is that a good thing?

Yes man is an abortion IMO.


As for your real question........... You are trying to force yourself into the the cl role instead of really becoming one with the game. IMO

I m doing a cl play through right now, and I myself would never dream of siding with them.

I made a charecter that has a touch of mental illness "Dahmer Bundy."

He was so impressed with the Legion s form of justice in Nipton that he was blinded of all logical reasoning. He followed the Nipton cl and they got slaughtered by NCR troopers.

This made Bundy hate NCR. Bundy was told of Nelson and he went there. Dead Sea isn t nice, but gives you a chance to prove yourself to him. After doing so he rewards you with his lawnmower blade.

Ceaser treats Dahmer Bundy with respect. The more your rep with the Legion goes up the less cl grunts say nasty things to you.

Dahmer Bundy knows he is not worthy of the Legion, so he knows he ll have to work extra hard to impress.

Ceaser says kill House..... Dahmer Bundy does so without question.

At first I thought myself that I was going to side with the Legion, in fact I was almost 100% sure I would.

Then I met Mr. House, and when he started talking, I wanted nothing but to do everything and anything he asked.

In short, side with Mr. House, his plan is arguably the best one for both New Vegas, and his intellect is an invaluable asset to rebuilding the post-apocolyptic world. Screw Caesar and his bunch of wanna-be Roman Legionaries.

Do what you want of course though.

Yep, House has no interest in expanding. Hypothetically, if you defeat the Legion in House's favor. NCR and House have a mutual deal going, NCR and Legion continue to duke it out, and only one will emerge victor, and I'm sure with Caesars inevitable death, due to his uh, situation, The Legion is inextricably bound to collapse on itself or at the very least, be brought to the brink of ruin. Lucius is getting up there in age, and Vulpes likely isnt as charismatic as Caesar amongst his followers.

All in all. If House and NCR work together, they can invariably save humanity and within thirty years, the Mojave would be by and large a safe place.

Mr. House cares about a better future for Vegas not the entire wasteland.

Go with house.

You dont want to side with Savages do you?
Reasons why you DONT side with CL:

1. There savages

2. There leader is a hypocrite

3.There leader contradicts himself

4. They enslave people

5. They treat women like crap

6. They hate NCR

7. They crucify people

8. There bound to fail

9. They call you profligate

10. They think there better than anyone else and there not.

11. There not civilized.

Exactly, I couldn't give a damn about the Wasteland to be honest. I, like House, only care about Vegas. If NCR REALLY cares about the Wasteland, I'm sure they'll do the 'humanitarian' shtick. Unless of course, they want to admit they really are only in the Vegas region to STEAL Mr. House's resources for themselves and just opress the denizens of New Vegas. :spotted owl:

Some good points here: The Legion is made up of sixist, backwards, savages. They promote cannibalism, technological regression, and the opression of women, and demonize enlightenment. This is basically the opposite of what imagines of the Romans, who allowed women to own property, were far more civilized than their neighbors (no cannibalism), were technologically advanced, and hired the most intelligent folks, Greeks, to teach their children. What's up with that? Justify it, Legionaires!

Screw them all, join Talon Company. Who gives a rats ass about the Mojave, I'd rather have a bag of caps than the whole damn core region.

EDIT: Added some words.



I love Mr. House don't get me wrong, I think he is the best choice for New Vegas but not for the entire wasteland.

I'm glad I'm not letting you be in charge of accounting, seeing as you can have several thousands of bags of caps plus so much more by owning the Core Region.

This lol.

Too much damn paperwork being a governor. I'd rather earn 5 caps with my R91 than earn 50000 caps with some damn evening coffee tax revenue.

Lol.

No one wants to defend Cannibalism, sixism, and Fear of Technology? Lol.

I don't care about cannibalism, when people are dead why let the meat go to waste? And very few Legionaries are cannibals.

I don't care about sixism either. Most males are better fighters than females simple as that. No offense to any women I am not saying that women cannot be fighters but men are more suited to fighting than females.

And the Legion does not fear technology, they choose not to use most of it. They still use guns and even the Howitzer. They don't use most of the technology available because it made the world a wasteland.

Nothing wrong with cannibalism, that guy is dead, better than let the Cazadores get it. sixism is a means to an end for their slave based society. A lack of technology prompts self-sufficiency and toughness.


Why must I, a pro-NCR guy, have to try and defend the Legion? Because they are nearly beating the NCR, and I am not willing to believe the NCR is having trouble fighting savages. I respect the NCR, unlike Ace, who seems to think that the NCR is too weak to beat savages.

I respect the NCRs military force, not there views but how they fight. I hate the NCR with every bit of hate in my body but there military knows how to get [censored] done.

Response to your words Josh...

1.Yes exactly there brutal mindless warriors that dont think and yes there uncivilized so there savages.

2.He walks around calling everyone profligates when he has a tumor. He uses a auto doc when there not suppose to...(no excuses).

3.He cant even follow the TRUE roman ways and contradicts himself. Sounds like either a dumb leader or just a terrible one.

4.Slavery is bad but you dont see NCR using it they do stuff there self. The slaves are treated like crap unlike in ROMAN TIMES.

5. You should care since your supporting them.

6. Yes and NCR is better for the future to turn it back how it use to be. CL is just a bunch of contradicting Savages

7.They crucify people to be pathetic. Why not just kill them? Because they like showing fear in the enemy because thats the only way they can win and thats with guerrilla tactics. Real original...

8.There lucky the NCR hasnt gotton over to those 4 states.

9.Why would you want to get on there good side when they call you insulting names.

10.NCR doesnt there trying to capture land and make america how IT SHOULD BE.

11.So in war we can just eat the enemys brains? In war we can just use dirty nukes? Yah sure thats the ways to win it..nice and cheap.

So? Mr. House doesn't want the entire wasteland, just the Vegas region (IE the in game map area)

Lazy vice filled and greedy? Wtf man you got it all backwards thats not at all what the NCR is like at all, sure some of the higher ups in the government may be like that but it doesn't spread throughout like everyone seems to think it does. Ok so maybe it does but that doesn't mean that they dont have any redeeming qualities, their definitely better than going with the Legion or yes man, one wants to enslave everyone and either work them to death for "the betterment of the state" as Caesar would say or just outright kill them. The other one will listen to whoever gives him a order and may do who knows what after the end of the game.

As much as I hate to say this, and im gritting my teeth while I do it, go with House. He's the second best choice for the Mojave after the NCR.