Ok so they built the vaults to protect people right (NOT) when they built them they decided to test on people and for what to help exterminate the human race as they know it in the game vault 101 i beleive was to see how long people could live without hope am i wrong. Every other vault people where tested on and killed and put there own live and the vault out of commision besides the vault where you chase your dad is a dog. Now how curupt was this goverment to do such a horibble thing. Or please tell me if im wrong did the people watching over them just turn on everyone and decide what they could do for them selfs? Im sure this was brought up all ready as a talk but still Im wondering if thats what they where doing, did they not think the place was gunna get nuked i have not played fallout in a while so sorry if the story is wrong? So Does anyone have a solution to what happend or is this topic gunna get locked for being brought up all ready?

You should change the title and put your post behind a spoiler tag, or move it to the spoilers section. You don't know that is what happened until late into the game.

I thought of this myself, but imagine a chance to remake humanity, to write the biological code you want, who isn't gonna jump on that, and it is an alternate universe, and this really isn't a spoiler, I mean you can get out of the vault find another one and see it is experiments

Two items:

Where did the Vault-Tec executives plan to go to survive? (We know the clerks were apparently caught at their desks.) There must be a real survival vault out there without planned experimentation...or there was a vault planned but not built in time. Mod-makers? Well, there are a bunch of vault mods, I just haven't looked at them.

Meanwhile, as for real survival vaults out there, how about *real* real survival vaults: http://www.terravivos.com

Kinda scary now wondering if they have planned something beyond the stated aims.

There was a Vault 0 for Vault-tec Execs, and there were a number of "control vaults" which operated exactly as expected.

a vault isnt working unless its a test of some sort.



but hey, its the fallout government, it wouldnt be an interesting game if they didnt invent super mutants.

yeah, it's almost like a corporate crime/hubris spree was in progress right before the bombs fall... in fact, there are so many examples of terrible decision making that you start to wonder if the war itself was inevitable.

I mean, Nuka Cola Quantum? Explosive atomic cars, bikes, and city buses? Single occupancy coin-operated bomb shelters? And what the hell kind of chemical preservatives went into the Salisbury Steaks?

Pretty funny stuff, and horrible at the same time. :celebration:

To be fair, the cars and buses weren't explosive when properly maintained, but after 200 years of no maintenance, they became quite volatile. As for the bikes, they're gas-powered; there weren't any atomic bikes, the closest thing were those 3-wheel, one-person cars. Though how they still had gasoline in them after 200 years is a mystery in itself.

Radiation has been used as a form of food preservation, so after the bombs fell they may not have needed any chemical preservatives at all:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_irradiation

Both good arguments, I'll admit, but still, even a fresh new shiny atomic car is a hilariously bad idea.

Irradiated Salisbury steaks in a non-refrigerated carton, though... mmmmmmm.

Which I only noticed yesterday are plugged into the mains for utilities. Though that's not such a brainless design, I suppose, since there are parts of the city power grid which are still operational 200 years and one nuclear conflagration later, but given that there are battery packs for emergency lighting that are still running 200 years on, it'd've been a better plan to bury some of them in the foundation of the shelter. If the shelters weren't such a whacked-out idea in the first place.

Since most advice from the 50's about surviving a nuke attack was ineffective propaganda to start with, I wonder how much stuff in FO3 is really nothing more than "feel good" enterprise people would pay for not realizing it did little to really protect you.

I find this an amusing observation because could you not say the same of today's society? Just a thought.

Sometimes the idea of a hydrogen-fueled car doesn't seem that good to me. "The new Mercedes Hindenburg..."

Hydrogen's not that easy to ignite; most of the Hindenburg's flames were from the doped casing, not the lifting gas.

I have a depressing feeling we're going to find out if the perma-frost melts enough and the earth's frozen tundra starts to rot. Methane gas is a more effective greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide. It won't be nuclear war, but it might really svck. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say it's going to make the "War on Terror" look like a quaint and silly distraction.

It may not happen, but if it does, and things turn out as bad as some people think, we'll get to look back at the early 21st century and shake our heads. The main group arguing, lobbying, & spending so hard against trying to do anything about it is business. They are trying SO HARD, and spending billions, and so far they've been successful in the face of overwhelming scientific evidence: very little of substance has improved.

So we'll see, won't we. In another 30 or 40 years, we can get back together on the Fallout23 Forums and discuss corporate crime and Early Century Postmodern hubris. :foodndrink:

(Okay it's funnier in the game, I guess.)

I thought it was horrible that Vault-Tec was using the vaults to experiment on people too. I don't think it was all the vaults though, just the ones in Fallout 3. Otherwise we wouldn't have so many survivors in the Wasteland.

And as for Vault 101, I think it was originally another control vault judging by the message from Dr. Braun to the Overseer. I think that maybe the first Overseer decided not to go with the plan of experimenting on everybody and that could be why everyone in the Vault is so paranoid about the outside world and tried to shut themselves away from it.

I thought the experiment was to see how people faired by never opening (or at least pretending not to) the door? Maybe that's why the Vault PA system (the radio) says things like "life on ground won't be possible for another 200 years", or whatever it says.

I might be wrong, though, as I can't remember what Braun's letter says.

For comparison, Vault 13 was originally intended to be closed for 200 years.

Guess that didn't work, either?

And did the Enclave have anything to do with these experiments? I think I heard somewhere that they did.

The Enclave seemed to be the beneficiaries of them, but it's possible someone else in the government wanted the experiments run. The Enclave is a strange entity. In a way, they are the surviving remnant of the US Government, but they are more like the "shadow government" that planned for its own continuation and when the regular leadership got axed, they assumed the role by declaring themselves with official titles, but they were probably nothing more than soldiers and scientists.

Karkeys... You've been engineered - resist, RESIST!

These are all great ideas.

Vault 0 isn't fully-canon, but it makes sense that the people who would actually check up on the experiements would have to live somewhere.

I apologize, but I couldn't even read the original post..