Not any more than the Empire, Cider. Not any more than the Empire.

Ulfric does not actually say that, and they would not run against Elisif who has the support of the empire and its armies anymore than they would against Ulfric, the guy they WILLINGLY sided with to get him to be High King.

"By-product of war" That's a dictatorship.

The Empire doesn't threaten the Imperial Jarls to vote for Elisif, the Jarls can vote for anyone they choose whereas Ulfric literally says "They'll vote for me because my armies are in their holds"

"It's okay for the god emperor to be our dictators, infact world-dictator, but Skyrim can't be dictated on its own."

Then Elisif's a dictator then.

I'm all for a new dlc. If they want somthing for the impirals to do they can fight the elves too I don't see a conflict. I just want an end to the quest.

No, the Empire pays Imperial jarls for their votes. That's even talked about in game!

How is that threatening. They are there to protect the people. I would know, I punched someone in a city once.

Also, why would Ulfric threaten the new Jarls? They couldn't beat him in the moot anyways, he has no reason to threaten them, in my opinion.

No he does not. He must be voted in. Elisif inherited the throne, but at any time could be voted off at a moot... which never has the chance of happening thanks to Ulric's uprising.

OOH, Bribery! This is true.

Using money is a perfectly honorable strategy, using an armed force and threatening the Jarls to vote is another thing.

I don't think you understand the terminology. He has legitimate claim to be voted in because he defeated the High King in combat. That's the Old Way. The Empire conveniently forgets the past, but the North Remembers.

Okay now I'm convinced you're trolling. Future troll posts will be reported.

An old way that hasn't been in effect since the first era.



I'm not even trolling, because a person can turn down the gold, they can't turn down being threatened.

The Emperor is not a dictator.

Ulfric has a right to the throne because he won the duel and is a Jarl. His right may not be hereditary, but it is still a right. If the empire didn't interfere, either Elisif would have stepped down out of fear of being challenged, or she'd get rofl stomped. Seems harsh, but thats how nords work. In their political system, its legitimate. Ulfric is fighting for his right to the throne same as Elisif.

Its not dictatorship, theres still a spoy for any jarl to step forward. What the post was talking about was that no one has a chance because of ulfrics actions. Ill give an example-someone comes along and ends world hunger and finds a way to legally get rid of taxes while at the same time find a way for govt to generate revenue. That person is running for president. Because of all the things that person does, no one is gonna be taken as an opponent or be able to wrestle that president spot from said peraon.
Theres a spot for aomeone to run against him, but its basically not smart because theres no chance at this poiny. Its not because of fear or threats, its basically a question that will ne asked. "i freed skyrim of the empires influence, I am in the process of strengthening our land, and planning on invading the thalmor. Also I have the dragonborn who backed me up and fought for a free skyrim which by my actions was set in place. Sooo what have u done that the people of skyrim will chose u over me?".

He's using military force to ensure his complete control. That's what you said being a dictator was.

Using bribes is yet another way dictators come to power.

No, but they install Jarls who make sure that the Emperor and his Elder Council are the true leaders of Skyrim. And armies in the cities who rebelled to ensure it. Still a dictatorship no matter who wins.

If Ulfric was a true dictator, he'd have killed all the Jarls so they couldn't challenge him to the throne.

No, a Jarl could still vote for someone else under Imperial rule.

Hey wouldn't be the first time. The Nerevarine was supposed to drive the Outlanders out according to the prophecy, and the Dunmer seemed a bit confused why my Cyrod ass wasn't getting around to that yet.
But a battle for the crown? Well...When you play the game of thrones...

Actually yes, an emperor is a dictator. Having absolute and complete control over everything and does whatever they want.