So in the announcement, Bethesda also announced that survival will make it into beta "soon"... In all the glory that′s Bethesda they still couldn′t give a better timeline than soon, and knowing Bethesda "soon" is either next week or next month... Could be nice to know just a bit more about your planned schedule for it, it′s even a beta so it′s not like we would suspect it to be flawless from the get-go, so the need to push it back would only be hindered by a massive gamebreaking bug, but since you played with the files since at least 1.14 beta I would suspect you had your time limiting these anyway...

So what gives, why again this "soon" and no real date on something you have worked on for a while and already have an internal schedule for release? I get you would have to postpone some releases, but that′s done with a "sry, something came up and we don′t want to release crap which we know we can fix in a few days"... I′m waiting for survival and really dislike being in the dark from Bethesda all the time... Not cool...

Probably because they are also in the dark on when they will have it ready right now. It is very rare for any gaming company to give a real release date when you have to adhere to Murphy's law when developing them.

Between 4th-11th April is my guess

If they gave you date and then miss it because of something they could not predict, you would be all over them and glory that′s Bethesda. Therefore they don't publish dates of releases before they know they will meet them. I find that reasonable.

Not any company... There are companies who do give the release date a few weeks early, at times only "about two weeks" which means it could be pushed back... And since they had the files in the beta 1.14 they must have spent time with it themselves already knowing if the bugs and balancing issues they encountered would be weeks or days to clean up... They could have made a gist of when that′s a bit more knowledgeable than "soon"... I don′t care if they push it back, by all means give them time to make it good and ready... But saying "soon" when they already know the date they will release it...

Other companies do that, and they have less rage than I′ve seen with Bethesda′s "release in march" for DLC... People are more understanding of issues coming up and would rather for a less buggy release than getting a release that crashes... Besides, they announced it as going into beta, so all would know that some issues would be apparent with it, thus less need to push it back anyway... And even if they did, less rage if they clearly announce that something awful came up they need to address...

My point wasn't about releasing buggy product, it was about missing release date altogether and then got blamed by the angry players. Sort of thing which does happen to other companies who publish release dates willy nilly. Which happens all the time.

I′m not talking about spitting out release date just for the sake of it... But other companies do give release dates that fit quite well... They could give the release date when they are fairly sure it would be at that time, and Bethesda would have that time already, especially with a beta which would be expected to "not be complete"... There′s a huge difference from putting out release dates only to push them back all the time, and putting release dates out when they know it will be released there and only rarely push it back when something unlikely happens...

Besides, it′s not like people isn′t ragin about the lack of information anyway... Saw plenty of that over at PS4 when they didn′t get any information the day the patch was supposed to arrive, they only got the information quite late of the day along with the release... This is what I′m talking about, people were waiting for it and they didn′t have the decency to tell them, "yes you are waiting and we′re working on it. Expect it later this day" or "something came up, we will work hard to get it out this weekend", so people wouldn′t have to refresh all the time... And I′m not a PS game holder, I just noticed this on that board aswell...

Beta release is expected to be complete -not complete final product but complete in it's own right. It's made for purpose of testing and therefore all the parts which you wish to test should be there. If those parts are not ready, there's no point in releasing it.

Look, I do get your point of view, I am on the same side of the fence, looking at the released Survival Mode notes through the glass of my monitor and salivating all over my keyboard. I would like to know the date too. But I also understand the developer. Few days ago in similar treat somebody from Bethesda, or on the behalf of Bethesda wrote that they will release date when they know it. It have to be enough for now. In meantime I recommend you to go and play new http://www.unicube.net/ fallout. It will ease your pain and who knows, you might even forget Bethesda and Fallout

It'll be ready when it's ready.

This is 'free extra stuff' not in the base game.

When it's ready.

Beta 1.14 was quite awhile ago, that′s when an user digged out the data from the files, so I would guess they have it ready about now, at least to know if it′s next week or next month... That′s the thing about Bethesda, and plenty are joking about it, that "soon" means a long time from now in Bethesda terms They could do better, that′s my point... They don′t need to spit out release dates willy-nilly just to push them, but they do need to inform about it rather than letting user guess and dig the data-files... I want Bethesda to deliver these informations since I always suspect users to lie anyway. Besides, having to actually live and work... It′s quite nice to be able to plan just a bit ahead... Like suggesting GF to go visit her parents since "it′s a long time since last"

However the argument that some may rage over release getting pushed back a few times (have confidence at bethesda only doing it a few) is mute, since there is already raging on the lack of information... I at least suggest to treat the more moderates with some decency, herein actually giving the information we require to plan our play-time... And to drool over contents that we′re getting... Yes some will rage, there will always be ragers and haters... But why punish those many, many users who can understand it and just want a little more than "soon"... As said... Some do rage, and this is not the only post asking about a date anyway

Nah... Had hoped Paradox had released it′s DLC by now so I could ease my pain with some EU4... So i′m currently in between titles atm but at least with Paradox I know they announce the date before instead of after they release

This is free stuff that should have been in the game all along, and used to a company that provides free stuff with every DLC and has it along with it every time... This is a wasteland-apocalypse game... How can it be shipped without any survival elements? I get that you could be allowed to toggle it off... But come on... Dark souls have proven that gamers loves to punish themselves by hitting their head against the wall a couple of times

Politely, it is up to Bethesda to decide what should be in their base game, and what should be added later.

The game shipped with a 'survival' mode with slowed healing.

That it is to be upgraded does not mean there weren't graduated difficulties from the off.

These arguments risk looking like entitlement.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bro-WwwroEA

It′s up to them, yes... But a big company like Bethesda should have known the market when they released it beforehand... And many did complain about "survival" only being bullet-sponge, Todd Howard even addressed this as such... It is concerning when companies are so lazy and non-innovative that the only way they deem a game to be more difficult... Well let enemies svck up more bullets... That′s not more challenging, that′s just more tedious and doesn′t really solve the underlying issues... If I wanted to play CoD I would do just that... Fallout made a different promise, and they didn′t deliever a fraction of it, other than better visuals which are gorgeous in many aspects... But they delievered a CoD/borderland clone in FO universe, instead of making them stand out...

They have a design choice, sure... But they will stand for criticism for any choice they make, how else would they be any better? I just think it′s amazing how they could ship this withou even thinking that this would be needed...

...and then there are those who don't feel "entitled" enough. Entitlement-Envy.

So instead, they authorize themselves to be part-time Company Spokesmen (paper badge & everything, honestly ask them!) who are just full & dripping over with misinformation.

Could be stopped by Bethesda being the source of information Not even has to be that much, just enough so we doesn′t have to grab what straws others put out there... Like the survival leak, at first I was distrustful until Bethesda confirmed it... But then it dawned me... If they already had put the files in the data, why on earth couldn′t they put it forward... Why put it in the data-files if they are not already using it and seeing these are the features they are likely to go with? They must have an internal build anyway, so having put it in the data must bear some meaning...

It′s not that I advocate full information and dates set in stone... It′s just amazing how little information they put out there... for two months, all that was reported about news of the DLC was the announcement origanolly made... They doesn′t have to address other companies willy-nilly hype-feed and countless release date to be better, but going opposite of them doesn′t help that much either... And quite frankly, I disliked the NDA breach very much... Which is why address Bethesda to be better of giving some information, not close it all down... The PS4 forum showed that to a great extent, user sat for the whole day waiting and information about it only came out when it was released late... Why? Because they don′t give any information... The other company I know have a ca. set time for release, which all users know and when the date arrives they will wait for that time... If anything comes up, we are informed that it might be pushed... Once did an issue arise with steam, which company had nothing to do with and when they realized it they made a statement announcing they would try hard to get it out as fast as possible... Some disappointment yes, raging as opposed to the raging I′ve seen at Bethesda, no...

I personally can't wait for this to come out.

I'm not planning on using it.

You're all just whiney complaining entitled brats and I can't wait till you shut up about your eating and sleeping simulator.

hahahaha

Sadly an hour after its released those same people will probably be here complaining about something. It happens everywhere.

I can guarantee that whatever is released there will be the response:

'don't like it... '

of course.

since it introduces some features that, while really nice ideas, won't work that well if there aren't some other things fixed first (companion AI for example).

we will have to wait and see what's delivered.

It is kinda funny that most, if not all, of the new survival settings have been created on nexus mods by amateur creators, and Bethesda themselves haven't managed to finish a new "Difficulty Setting" having the original tools and creators on hand all this time.....oh well, I'll be waiting for it before I play the DLC.

Have been done by modders without any development tools, and I don′t even believe developers rely on GECK alone for creating their DLC and games... And they had it in their files since beta 1.14, which is confirmed by Bethesda when a user dug it out...

To the rest, please keep it civil... This isn′t about complaining for complainings sake... There will always be gameplay and balancing issues that Bethesda should be allowed to make, though they should also be allowed to be critized on such decisions, how else will they improve? Personally I dislike the response "mods will fix that", well I didn′t pay the modder, neither did Bethesda or you... So why should they improve on the game and not the one′s who profit from them? Besides I only use mods as a last resort anyway and try as much as possible to support the developers vision... FO4 just seems to be more the stockholders vision than developers...

Apart from that, Bethesda is still awful at informing... Have just been to a board for PS4 again where there are some trouble... Yet bethesda information is lacking... They don′t really explain the issue or whether they expect it to over sooner or later...