Where is Africa during all of this? What about Japan? have they declared war on china?
im also curious as to the exact point (year) the timeline spun off

What has happened in other countries was never fully pinned down by the original developers, because they wanted to leave it open either for new games, or for fan created side fiction. This is stated in the Fallout Bible. Pretty much the same with the break in the timeline. That was never exactly decided, probably just because it really doesn't matter that much. The thing that does matter about it is that the 1950's atmosphere of paranoia and xenophobia never went away, which amounts to the Cold War never ending. It also means that the arms race never ended, and escalated far beyond what it was in our timeline, which lead to new technologies, and many, many more stockpiles of weapons than exist now.

This could be an amazing fanfic. I may do something related to this. To try and create what I believe what happened in Africa.

Africa is just south of Europe. HTH.


More seriously, though, everything that happened outside of North America is deliberately left vague because, firstly, it's not directly relevant to the games, and secondly it lets room for possible future games. So you're not going to get answers other than "I don't know, make it up yourself."

good possible fan fic, someone write it, Ill have "insert some Ivory coast bloodthirsty dictators name here" come back as a mutant. lol

Lol, I am gonna do this as a fanfic

Maybe Africa wan't hit by war, leaving them the prosperous continent, and maybe Africa will take pity on the other continents and send relief... that would slightly ironic

If there were enough bombs dropped to nuke all of the US and presumable China then I highly doubt there's anything left of Africa. It wouldn't be long before the radiation would have blanketed the earth. While some of the more modern countries probably had contingency plans for atomic war I doubt there would be as many, if any, means to survive there.

Admittedly FO is a divergent time line but divergent post-colonial era Africa, I imagine it would have been in a similar condition to the Africa in our own time line.

Since it all takes place in a 1950's world regardless of the date 2077 or whatever, The geopolitical situation was what it was in the 1950's. In the 50's the The world was devided up into spheres of influences and proxy wars were fought over undecided nations or areas of dispute. Both sides expressed a willingness to use nuclear weapons in any of these spheres. We threatend use of Nuclear weapons in Korea and Erurope. The soviets Threatend use of Nukes in the Middle east and also over Cuba. Africa was devided up along similar lines and The nations who were aligned with NATO/SEATO would have gotten the treatment from the Commintern and the reverse would also be true. Also its likely that in the third world both sides would have used some unconventional weapons so that most nukes could be used against The more heavily armed allies.

also watch the video from the first 2 games it leaves little doubt about the Holocaust being a world wide event.

With the exception of certain highly visible individuals, most people know that Africa is not a country but a continent.

I am leaving the quoted post in place as an example of the sort of post that should never be made on these forums. If a topic does not interest you, respect the members who are interested in it by keeping silence rather than making such comments.

Yeah Dogsbody! go all geography on their....rear-end. not sure about Africa though, like the rest of the world the Dev teams seem to just care about America (my poor Australia) we will have our vengeance soon.....

Africa one country one day Africa (as continent) will do better than the rest in the world trust me, some of the nations seem to be pretty stabile-now-a-days and continu to grow ...

Anyway in a universe like Fall Out, as sayed before I guess biggest part where still colonies of nations like French and Brittain, maybe even Belgium ... The Netherlands didn't have much claim into Africa, only a bit in South Africa but during the English did take South Africa over, trough there langauge is still amazing and funny.

Well, it's been two hundred years. What's taking them so long? Lazy bums.

In any case, even if no bombs landed in Africa, it seems the whole world was poisoned by the nuclear fallout after the war.

Well, they might be not lazy, rather... reluctant. Think the average Joe-who's-fields-are-still-radioactive's perspective:

"Those jerks exploited us for centuries if not millenia, they humiliated us, discriminated against us, and on top of that, nuked themselves and poisoned us in the process. Now, rather than finally be free and prosperous, we'll spend our sparse resources which they failed to take... to go scouring the world for a handful of survivors who undoubtedly would still consider themselves superior? Riiight."
"Civilization?! I'll stay right here!".

Also "Well, here no bombs fell and we barely made it... The rest of the world who got nuked is most likely a dense irradiated forest. What's the point?"

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I'm not sure, you didn't just leave it on the bus did you? I find the best way to solve these issues is to trace your steps.

Humerous remark aside, i bielive countries/continents follow the same line as real life.

No, for start the Soviet Union still existed in 2077 and there was a European Commonwealth that dissolved in 2060.

The question of Africa is irrelevant because the Great War was just the PRC and USSA, neither would go out of their way to nuke Africa (or Europe that ceased to be a issue well over a decade before the Great War) just like the USA is not going to nuke Antarctica "just in case".

Post-Apocalyptic in Fallout only really works in two areas, the USSA and China.

First, it's not only the PRC and the USA. When they saw the US and Chinese nukes coming, veryone else fired their nukes as well. Both the Chinese and the Americans had their allies and other enemies, that were also targets. The whole world is post-apocalyptic, not just the US and PRC. Europe is likely even more devastated, based on Emil's comment on Tenpenny.

Europe ceased to be one, unified Commonwealth, but many European nation states still had their nukes. As did the Soviets and likely others.

Second, what's the second "S" in your "USSA"?

The Great War is China and U.S. only as there is no mention of any other participants ... Europe ceased to be in 2060 as "it dissolved into quarreling nation states fighting for the remaining resources" and the Soviet Union seems to remain uninvolved as Natalia bio says "she is the grandchild of a Russian diplomat who worked at the Soviet Consulate in Los Angeles" that indicates the Soviet Union was a neutral party.

Considering what happened in 2074 with the US President walking out of Oil Talks and declaring "the last known supply of petroleum will be used exclusively by the U.S. and the U.S. will not sell or trade any oil to outside parties" I found highly unlikely the U.S. would have any allies after it, especially after what they did to Canada, especially European allies that seem to had no U.S. support in their Middle East adventure.

I know the Fallout wiki have the "other countries, seeing the missiles on their way, launch their planes and fire their warheads as well" but honestly, I cannot see a war exhausted broken Europe that lost all access to oil in 2060 and was certainly cut off in 2074 still being able to do that, maybe the Enclave on their quest to wipe out communism also launched nukes directed to the USSR and the Soviet Block and made then reply in kind.

I do not subscribe the notion Europeans have to be the "faithful dog" when it comes to the U.S. at all times and so unless you are counting with the nuclear arsenal of Brazil, India and South Africa ...

Theres this place called the United Kingdom, and actually i think you'll find India isn't European, and South Africa does have nuchlear weapons. Since the 1940's i think.

European Commonwealth ceased to be, but some of the quarreling nation states certainly had their own nuclear arsenals, as they do in our world.

And the Soviet Union could be at war with China as well, over the resources in Siberia. So their somewhat better relations with the US might simply be because of having a common enemy, just like during WW2. By the way, I wouldn't count out the Soviets trying to conquer Europe after the fall of the European Commonwealth. Perhaps Germany was united, but under communist rule?



The quote from the wiki about other countries is actually from the original timeline written by the Fallout 1 devs.



Not the whole of Europe, but some European states could be. Some Middle Eastern countries probably had their own nuclear weapons too, as well as the countries you mentioned.

And we do know that Britain is just as destroyed as the US, if not more (from Emil). According to Tim Cain, Vatican City got nuked too.

We don't have many mentions of other countries' involvement in the events, but this is simply because (as Chris Avellone said in the Fallout Bible), the devs don't want to be constricted when they eventually decide to set any future games there, not because they were not involved at all. Therefore they just made vague mentions of "other countries" without giving any details.

First I mentioned countries that were not part of Europe or be part of the Middle for a reason.
Second, India currently have nuclear weapon (same as Pakistan but considering they would align with the Middle East ...)
Third, South Africa DOES NOT have nuclear weapons, they did had a nuclear program back in the 70's but it leaded to nothing, sort off ... depending if you want to count Israel or not.

Also United Kingdom have nuclear weapons since 1952, I have no idea why you think South Africa would be able to develop nuclear technology that fast, the UK was the 3rd nation with Nuclear capability, the Soviet Union first nuclear test was in 1949 and South Africa have independence since 1910 (even if it was just a dominion, they did leave the British Commonwealth in 1962 and became a Republic).

As a note, a lot of countries developed or tried to develop nuclear power, Germany and Japan for example are de facto Nuclear Powers despite having no nuclear weapons but we are just "guessing" what happened in Fallout universe, we have no idea if the various African independence movements succeeded or not.



And they used said arsenal in a limited regional scale in the Middle East.

Point is, they would not just press the button without reason and honestly, they would had no reason to press it because the U.S. or China was about to being bombed and considering they were pretty much without oil one must wonder if they would even be capable of doing so.




And maybe the Soviet Union was saved by Communist Aliens and so the glorious People's Revolution continues to live on.

Look, we know the Soviet union existed in 2077, we have no evidence that it was a ally or enemy of China as there is almost no information beyond that simple note in a pre-generated character biography in Fallout 1.

I have to assume things based on evidence, there is none about the USSR involvement and so I have to presume with the lack of any reference they stayed out.

Also lets look at why China invaded Alaska ... it was the pipeline since China was running out of oil so, why Alaska and not the Soviet Union?

Chances are the Soviet Union was too much of a hard nut to crack and the Chinese would halt to a stop due to running out of fuel before they could secure whatever oil resources the Soviet Union had (and if they had it in enough quantity to justify the invasion oil cost), Alaska was a safer bet.

Also do not comparing with WWII does not work, the Soviet Union was attacked by Germany ... they were happy sitting the war out until the Germans decided to make then enter the war, the U.S. was a ally because of December 7, 1941 ... sure before that they were in the lease deal but hey, it was a Communist dying so a American would not ... it was keeping the war in Europe and not in the U.S. backyard.




And things changed, I doubt the Enclave and the Vault Experiment were considered back in Fallout 1 ... its not strange things were expanded, besides you have Fallout 1 developers with different ideas about how things even work (example, mutations).



I am not saying they did not, I am just saying there was no reason for then to launch their nukes just because China and the U.S. decided to have a nuclear exchange.



Vatican City is a small part of Rome, if Vatican City was nuked then Rome was nuked

And I disagree with the notion that the damage was directly caused by nuclear blasts of the Great War, besides explain to me how in the hell did he managed to cross the ocean in the first place if Europe was much destroyed as the US?

How the hell did we retained cross-ocean abilities when a)lacked fusion battery power technology, b)lacked oil to run the pre-war ship engines and c)were destroyed.

Serious ... I guess we could go back to sails and steam engines but how the heck we retained SHIPYARDS and why we would even brother? we knew America was right there but its not they can help so why?

Did we did for the win? were we just bored? or did we decided that hell, lets just build transatlantic ships and laugh at the Americans?



And the same goes for anyone claiming otherwise, I said Africa was irrelevant because ... I see no relevance, do you see any relevance or are just saying its relevant because it might be relevant in the future?

That is absurd, I can only work with available data and make hypothesis based on the same data ... I do not decided on what that data is based on what it could be, also I try to make logical reasonings.

For example, the Enclave is the shadow government of the U.S. and they have a strict anti-communist rhetoric so logically they would not ally with a communist goverment.

According to Emil, he went to the US to seek his fortune, because Europe was in even worse shape. Don't ask me how, but it's from the lead designer.

I am sorry but that is not much of a answer, Tenpenny could have gone to North America or the Moon because if Europe was in a even worst shape then crossing the Atlantic or land on the Moon possessed the same level of difficulty.

I can also point out that Dukov sticks out like a sore thumb, if he is Russian then how he managed to end up in Washington D.C. ? and if that is a accent then how the managed to retain such a tick Russian accent when North America was cut out from Russia in the past 200 years?

The Capitol Wasteland is far worst that the New California Republic and even the NCR lacks a blue water Navy (yes, I know ... PMV Valdez but still it run on oil) and I assume Tenpenny never been to the NCR so ... if Europe is worst that North America and North America lacks the ability to cross the Atlantic then (logically) Europe lacks it as well.

Also if North America does have the ability to cross the Atlantic but Europe is far worst why would they keep contact? its not like Europe can help then or North America can help Europe.

Maybe they intended to make Tenpenny to show that "Europe was worst" but forgot it was nearly impossible in the case of Europe being in worst shape (considering the Capitol Wasteland) for said character to get there, they might as well make Master Chief show up.

Maybe he just worked at it (worked for Loxley), or found a cache of some old holovids (that would fit his playboy image)....