When did Bethesda say there were kids in the game? The GI article said a young boy; depending upon who is saying it, that could be an age from 16-21.

You may be right, but wouldn't that usually mean a young person in the age group you refer to as boy? (0-15'ish) I'm just saying, when I think of people around 17 or so, I'd say young man.. but maybe that's just me

Well, I agree that Little Lamplight in F3 wasn't the best of all places and its inhabitants were somehow "restricted". But AFAIR was it on of the first RPG games that ever included children at all. Besides that, you should see that F3 was a game for advlt with lots of violence and other advlt topics in it. How do you expect to create a such world and make it look as realistic as it gets without kids? That's not going to work so easily.

I think the topic of having kids in games will raise by the time but it is a balance on a knife's edge to do this the right way. See, the overall rating for a game where you might have the ability to kill a kid would not be more realistic, but would not be the best. Lots of people would shout out loud if something like that would appear in a game. Therefor you were able to shoot at kids in F3 but you could not kill them. And I think its the wrong idea to totally remove kids from a game just they do not behave like "regular" NPCs.

I like the idea that there are kids in Skyrim. =D

But I do hope Bethesda does a better job with them this time. Considering what's going on, I don't want to see children (older than ten) walking around aimlessly. Maybe they work with their parents on whatever occupation? I would love to see a fourteen-year-old hammer away at a sword under the supervision of his dad. I'd stand there and watch. (It would be hilarious if he then said, "Dad? Someone's watching me...")

It may not make sense to you but, a place like that actually exists in the real world.

There is an Amazon tribe that chase their toddlers into the jungle after telling them to walk in a certain direction without them knowing why, if they succeed doing so without dying (it's a frikking jungle after all) they reach the "child" village where they live until they get too big. advlts never set a foot in the "child" village or helps them any way.

Sparta also send their children into the wilderness to see if they can survive and to beat the weakness out of them.

Bottom line is that we westerners have a hard time believing something like this is even possible because we're all a bunch of pussies trying to act though.

That's cool, but there were no parents! It would be cool if Big Town made mention of how they dropped off their infants at Little Lamplight to continue their way of things, but they don't (even if that was the case, there were way to many kids for the amount of advlts in Big Town). You've got to admit, the execution of the idea was poor in FO:3.

Isn't that the women and children's village. Bit different.(sorry about nitpicking )

Except that in Fallout 3, no one that we know has been sending the kids to this cavern on the ass-end of the wasteland. How they get there is left up in the air, and it's demonstrated that the Lamplighters do NOT accept newcomers easily (you have to convince the Mayor to let Bryan Wilks in with a speech check, if you opt for that). And as I've also said, Little Lamplight is just outside Vault 87, the main base of operations for the Super Mutants, aka the big guys who actively hunt down and kill/capture any human they come across. And as the Murder Pass area shows, said mutants have managed to invade Lamplight territory, and the only thing between them and the kids is a flimsy wall made out of random detritus that, game mechanics aside, could easily be smashed down. Even ignoring the mystery of how Lamplight has been able to maintain a population for two centuries, it should have been long ransacked.

I'm also going to have to ask you for some sources on that Amazon tribe. Smells like absolute [censored] to me.

Can you imagine how cute a little Argonian will be?
Or a litter of Khajit?

I would love to see kids in the streets, playing with wooden swords or hide n go seek.
Maybe we can have a quest where we find a lost stuffed toy lizard for a little Argonian.
That would be awesome:)

Pretty sure Little Lamplight (or MadMax3) was based on an actual Amazonian tribe although I can't find a source right now. :sadvaultboy:

Tribes were men live secluded from the women and children are/were more common, but we even see that in our own culture.
It's not too long ago that women weren't allowed in the army.

NO. Children should not be in the game. It doesn't matter if they have been confirmed, they should not be there.

The reason is obvious, but we can't discuss the reason. So I have to leave my comment as is.

I hope the Argonian/Khajiit kids don't just look like scaled down advlts with a different voice.

Man, we have some mad bros up in hurr.

I guess you won't be playing Skyrim, then, EngravingMan? Because whether or not you think they should be there, they are. Deal with it.

The question was do we think they should be in the game. My answer is NO, they should not be in the game. It won't make me avoid the game, I'll still buy it and play it. However, I don't tink they should be there. It's my opinion and I stand by it.

What is that obvious reason you were talking about in you previous post? Why shouldn't there be any kids?

I know what TheEngravingMan is talking about, but for me, it would be less immersive/realistic to have no kids at all in the game.

Below is the reason why.

One of the restricted topics on the forums is discussion of child killing - it is not nor will be a feature of Bethesda games. There are those that think it should be in the game for whatever reason but we discourage its discussion.

/End of explanation

While I want as much as possible to add to the immersiveness of the game, adding kids is one thing that I wouldn't mind leaving out and it wouldn't ruin the imersiveness for me. RPG's are all about "You" the character, I'm willing to sacrafice a little immersiveness.

There just isn't a way to add kids without decreasing the immersiveness, for me.

We'll have to agree to disagree But I do hope there's nothing akin to Little Lamplight, and that there are only a few kids which are secondary to the advlt characters, so that the issue you brought up before isn't so obviously "in your face" as it was when faced with the kids in LL.

I see that point and I agree to it. But to exclude kids just because of this isn't the answer and I think Bethesda is doing right including childrens in the game.

I utterly despised the kids and town people in fable. The way they behave toward the character was completely annoying no matter if you picked the good or bad spectrum.
Last time I'll comment that I think kids are not a great addition to games unless the game has a rating of Everyone and there isn't inappropriate content in the rest of the game so children even fit in the context of it. Just given how kids can't even be discussed maturely among people interested in the game goes to show in my opinion they're not an appropriate addition to the game.
Other than that I'm 100% looking forward to Skyrim.

I'd like it if you could help out kids that are down on their luck by giving them spare food, potions or clothing that you have in your inventory. Or let them stay in one of your houses for a while, something like that.

I don't really like kids all that much IRL, but I feel really bad for kids that have it rough in life. So if there's like street urchin, beggars or homeless kids in general in Skyrim and you can't help them out I'll be sad :/

I'm sure children will be much more "child" like now, because in fallout I just wanted to nuke those little lamplighters sooooo baddddd.

anyway children that existed in the pre-TV era are suppose to be much more respectful to elders and grow in a much more natural and balanced way, unlike the blackberry punching, cellphone worshiping, smart-ass dummies we got now.

yah every kid deserves a good home, and a good start in life, when I see poor kids on the street I just want to go strangle their parents (if they have them) to death.

since I won't have kids of my own, I will financially adopt a whole bunch of them and take care of them until they get jobs