'Lazy' or smart? I'm pretty sure it's already been said why they didn't. They would, but they simply can't. Go program a game and educate yourself about resources before you make insults.

pffft, stupid...nobody uses search bars anymore what an idiot :slap:

welcome to the Forums Miss Illuminessence. have a turtle. :turtle:

How's the closed beta so far?

Thanks for being more understanding about this. I think SD feels the disappointment of the gaming community, but I trust their decision and hope just because there aren't women in this first installment, there will be in sequels to come.

The beta is alright so far, they haven't really enabled the anti-cheat so there's a few cheaters running around. Seems harsher graphically on my system so I get choppyness and lag often, I have to stick to the lower population districts. But everything from the old apb has been changed slightly.

I'm fine with playing a male honestly, even in APB I have a male alt just cause I like their clothing better.

Also, Creed, thank you for the ..turtle haha.

I play APB: Reloaded and RTW APB also, Tune in-game. I would say some stuff, but that's against NDA.

Yeah, kind of sux. We are doing a Machinima and I wanted to introduce a love interest.

The Freak+The Sweat = Freaky confusing children...

I've seen you a few times in-game haha. I also played RTW APB, from closed beta, through retail and now in the Reloaded beta.

EDIT: I will stop being off topic now lol.

Save the gay six for the fanfic forums. That is where they belong.

If a game is good, it smashes all boundaries of male and female. You just want to play it for the experience, if any woman ( or man) will not play a game they seem interested in based solely on the fact that it does not have everything one wants then perhaps that said person does not deserve to feel enjoyment.

Just because of your avatar, I read your post like you were some wise old man with a mustache. :mellow:

Don't revolutionize games, woman. (Sorry, had to say it. Hehe )

If Brink just had females and no males, cause of 'Resources' i would still play/buy the game, it would seem weird for us males, but i thought you female gamers have got used to playing males..?
..a Heavy Female, that would so make the game really really bad. Girls aren't masculine. They aren't. Females are, feminine... Sorry?

Would they have slimmer hit-boxes? If so, that would add a major factor to balance.

they will add females in brink 2

Good to see people not completely dismissing Brink just because they don't have female characters.

Also Welcome to the forums!

Have a turtle as well. :turtle:

Course it seems I'm a bit late on the welcoming... but I gotta do this thing at night called sleeping. :tongue:

Threre was a full blown 10 pages thread first, and then a folloing one. And then another one and another one and then this.


Precisely.
(And Anticheat is enabled but G1 don't fight the cheaters yet to get a grip on their methods. Like RTW did before the game shut down....)


No homo?

they will just not for this game

I understand that a lot goes into making a female character, hell, a lot goes into making a game. There are deadlines, money, and time and energy to be accounted for, but that shouldn't stop anyone from making Brink a game that no one can say "no" too. Games are like film in a lot of ways, you've got to keep your story straight, gotta keep your characters moving forward, and if that means sacrificing the cute girl, that means sacrificing the cute girl.

I also understand where the "controversy" lies in making a female "tank" role. Or rather a large woman with big armor. Society hasn't accepted large women, but we've accepted fat, balding men. Society cannot agree that ugly and fat belong anywhere in entertainment, particularly surrounding women. (However, ugly fat men get all the love, case example Danny DeVito.) I get that, and I am not trying to raise a right and wrong conversation, I'm just trying to raise a conversation to urge the people at Bethesda, the devs and all, to not throw out their female character builds.

Personally, I am a skinny white chick who wears a size 1. My mother on the other hand is an ugly fat chick...yes I just insulted my own mother. But that doesn't mean I wouldn't play as her, it's all about what role you take on, and what role you want to play. If you want to play as a woman, but want to be a tank, apparently fat is the only way to go. Unless, and this is just a fleeting thought here, someone uses their brain and realizes there are other ways of making a heavy tank role without making the woman fat. Just make her an amazonian woman, slap some armor on her and viola! You've got yourself a heavy character minus the midnight runs to the golden arches. Hell, if you really wanted to get crazy, make her pregnant...pregnant women are accepted. A pregnant woman with an RPG...c'mon that's freaking hot and freaking bad-A! (Then you'd really have some controversy on your hands.)

There are plenty of ways to get around everything, if people use their brains. Cause and solution people, cause and solution!!

I hope that an expansion will come out, and will bring female character builds with it. I understand that there are a lot of issues when it comes to creating women in a game, we are after all, more complex than men. :-p LOL.

X's and O's
-Rawkstar

However, both games and movies prefer to keep the cute girl and make her character-development and importance to the plot equal zero.

The only directors I can think of who repeatedly have actually progressing female characters in their movies are Tarantino and the Coen brothers.

Even if it equals zero, a cute girl is still there representing the female population in some form or fashion. And even if she isn't totally cute, women are there. I mean I'm not asking for a grandma character teetering around with a pistol, even just one measly female character with limited depth of build and resources is all I'm asking for. Just one...otherwise I'm going to assume that the Ark is full of gay men butt-plugging it every night. It'll be the only solace I have to get me through the game. (LOL)

I don't want Brink to be delayed, but at the same time they can start on expansions at any time. Bring on the cute girls with the big guns and forget about making a heavy-set, super buff character. Final Fantasy didn't have super buff women, um, Borderlands didn't have a super buff woman, um, drawing blanks here on other games with women... there are plenty of games that have character builds, albeit they aren't like Brink's model of super deep character build, but still...I think if we raise enough guff, and encourage enough people to buy Brink, they will surprise us with an expansion with school girls in combat boots (think Liv Tyler in Empire Records.) with .50 cal's and pink thongs. Am I getting to bi-sixual here? Perhaps.

I'm fine with that assumption. The Ark is a massive gay bar with guns.
Look, Splammage kept females out because of a technological reason. Trying to explain it through canon will just leave us all with headaches. I'm sure females will be added at some point, when technology reaches a point where we can accommodate all the memory for female avatars and all the customisation options.

Yeah, well ... in a stupid and terrible one, if you ask me.

"Oh look, women are about six. And uhm ... that's basicly it. At least men have something to say and do and represent other than that!" You get my point?



You should keep in mind the Art-style which represents BRINK.
As I said in another "We wantz teh female characters so we can stare at them and also for equality"-thread, the hyperrealistic art-style would make females have similar visages like males have in BRINK. WIth prominent exaggerated features, big noses, long thin chins, very high foreheads.


Well, yeah ... I really don't want to see something that much not fitting in BRINK.

Hey! She has a right not to play a game and support what she believes.

I would have done the same for the sequel if it did not include female characters because I am TIRED of not being represented or even acknowledged, especially when other games are trying hard to include female characters (if not playable, then an NPC that has personality) because they know there are female gamers out there.

If the Call of Duty fan boys can boycott Black Ops due to the Infinity Ward-issue and if people can boycott M.Shalayman's "Last Airbender" movie because of whitewashing, then we girls can choose not to buy a game for our own reasons, too!

I feel like the gaming industry is sending a message to me when they tell us girls "Sit down, [dumb, oversensitive, moody, hysterical] girls, shut up, accept it, and MAYBE, just maybe, you will get what your little girly minds want" or "who cares, you're not the target audience and don't count" (my sister's game design teacher pretty much says this), or "It's not possible with our awesome advanced technology" when other games have done it, grrrr. :swear:

I don't know why it's so touchy for me.
Maybe it's because I was in Digital Arts and Animation and my female relative was in Game Design and we both quit the field because of the amount of sixism involved and how every game out there MUST target the 18-24 frat boy so we have to make Call of Duty/FPS games all of the time (and there were not a lot of other females to associate with either).

Gosh-darn it, how dare us girls actually stand up for ourselves and choose what we want, lol. :tongue:

I even drew fanart because of these arguments! : Here's a http://bunny-gypsy.deviantart.com/#/d3c2bcc before I knew about lack of chicks in Brink. (Warning big photo) I call her the "Doll Face" archetype. Sorry for the mediocre drawing skills, lol. :tongue:

EDIT: This kind of topic depresses me to the extreme, because I know the realities, have seen it in real life and I actually was trying to get into this industry at one point, but I gave up on that long ago and went into teaching elementary kids (which I love). My sister was even more disappointed with it (and she's not a feminist like me at all) and changed her major, too.

Well then BRINK and every other game without female avatars (I'm just talking about visual representatives here) is not for her. Geezus.


But why would you want to be represented as female six objects? Or faceless puppets?

I've played through Devil May Cry 4 lately and there are two female characters in it: One is a six symbol (Dantes partner/sort of girlfriend) and Kyrie, who Nero is in love with. However, both of them have z-e-r-o charcter development and are only there to either do nothing or make the male characters do something.
Nero could just as well be fighting for his beloved childhood comrade, a teddybear his uncle gave him or whatever. Perhaps a brick.


Here's something I stumbled upon today: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/extra-credits/2868-True-Female-Characters.

Now a very important point being made in this, probably the most important for our current discussion going on right here, is: Usually it doesn't matter wether characters are male or female.
In Call of Duty it doesn't matter. In Battlefield it doesn't matter. In Counterstrike it doesn't matter. In BRINK it doesn't matter.

The primary reason why the vast majority of game-avatars are males (and I'm adding my part here now) is, that the vast majority of gamers are males.
The secondary reason why there usually are no female characters (and this applies to BRINK) is that they would require extra ressources to be created. And we're not talking about adding 100 polygons for teh boobies.

Adding a gimmick to the game would requiree as many ressources as adding, balancing or changing fundamental elements.


Now you could argue that Splash Damage could have build on female avatars to begin with. However - and we have had this in earlier discussion in depth already - male avatars are easiert to put into the bodytype-roles that BRINK has. It's easier to create a heavy male than a heavy female without everyone going "Eeeeww", especially the majority of male gamers.



As a final note: I don't argue against having female characters in BRINK 2 or as a future content for BRINK, but having them in the game is really a footnote under everything else which makes the game fun to begin with.

Where's all the girls with big guns?

In the upcoming movie, svcker Punch.