Disappointing, I had much different expectations for that link :drool:

Yah not that I am sixist / chauvinistic boar or anything but who would want to be a heavy female? The lights and normals (normals with nice hips would look best) would be plausible but can you even imagine the chick from hairspray holding a mini gun?

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Yes because you can clearly see your entire character ingame when you're running around and shooting people...for the most part all you'll see is your hands... we should be happy we even have customization to begin with. Splash Damage could have just decided to not give us any customization have have us all look like the same dull character model. And if Splash Damage was going to add female player characters they don't need to look exactly like the males, having heavies be huge people that could crack your skull looking at your... and I wouldn't expect them too. So people have to stop thinking that if Splash Damage was going to have females... which they are not at the moment (a DLC maybe)... but they wouldn't have to make them restrain to what the males have.

http://ridingabuttertub.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/698617.jpg
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Sorry, no such thing as a girl with a big gun.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yG-5i0Z60x4

And that guns not even that big

lol, no im joking, would be cool to have them, but aw well. what can ya do?

In all seriousness, comparisions and discussions about different games are going to happen on every game forum. Do you have any idea how bad it was last fall when Reach and Black Ops came out? Troll wars out the wazoo. We're not even arguing about which game is better or anything. We were having a civil discussion about a particular feature between games. Nothing wrong with that. It's not against the rules; no one has warned us or locked the thread for being off topic (although they might now, but it would not be because we pvssyd about Halo or CoD on a Brink forum).

It's also worth to mention that CoD/Halo/BF are commonly known and that people use it as (bad) examples. If someone asks for theater mode they always ask for something similar to Halo or CoD:BO, because pretty much everyone knows instantly what they mean. Same goes for a LOT of other features.

Finally crawled out of lurker mode for this one. Yes, there are other threads about this, but this one was on the front page when I loaded it.

SD has some valid reasons for not including female models. That they are valid does not make them any less disappointing. That isn't what made me crawl out of the woodwork, however. What did was the sheer amount of boy's-club idiocy that oozes out of some of these posts. For background purposes, most of my gaming time for the last several years was on Dungeons and Dragons Online, which had a high percentage of female gamers and a fairly inclusive community (pre-free to play, it changed some after that). I got very used to playing with female gamers as equals and as a non-rarity. The focus was on playing the game, not what kind of genitalia existed on the other end of that stream of semi-randomized electrons. Picking up a 360 to play BF:BC2 (some friends made me a BF:1943 addict ::fistshake:: ) and plunging into the XBL community was a bit of a shock. Sort of like going from swimming in an olympic sized pool to diving into an inflatable that somebody's been letting get funky all summer. Having existed in a less polarized domain, this bulls**t has been getting on my nerves ever since, so this is more a vent than the TheIrishCasualGamer's implied White Knight motivation.

So my replies to a gestalt construct of Teh Stoopid:


I found http://www.everydayer.com/2010/10/18/amazonian-wrestler/ in less than two minutes of search operation. That's a 6' 9" woman http://www.everydayer.com/images5/amazonian-wrestler/1.jpg. And she isn't fat by a long shot. I'm pretty sure if you saw that in game w/ an auto grenade launcher your first response would still be to duck and cover, not make fun of her for not being an ambulatory personification of your sixual desires.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girl_gamer. Yes, not always the most reliable source, but fast and easy. The estimate there (taken from a games industry study) is that women account for 40% of gamers across all markets (including social/casual), and 46% of game purchases. That is not vastly outnumbered. That's approaching half the mother-effin population. Odd that :glare: .
If you remember the stories that arose out of BF:BC2, you'd pretty regularly run across "my girlfriend/wife/other started playing this because she could contribute without competing at a testosterone-heavy pwnfest". Brink takes this even further with the lack of K/D ratio tracking and heavy rewards for non-killing actions. So the lack of female characters hurts much more on a game that's been developed from the ground up to (incidentally) be more friendly to "girly" gamers than it would on yet another CoD clone. Think about the marketing coup that a game that A ) has female models and B ) isn't focused around some 12yr old boy's wet dream of a killing spree would be. They'd have a small but non-trivial portion of the marketplace flocking to them, creating a legion of SD fangirls to purchase further releases.

That sounds like a personal problem.

For the record, I would probably "cross dress" as a female on a heavy, simply because it would be significantly more awesome than playing generic side of beef #3698. Broken nose, hair up in curlers, a tshirt that reads "Out of the kitchen. Deal with it." and a big old autogrenade launcher. I look greatly forward to a sequel or patch that includes our sister players more fully, and view it as yet another reason to make Brink a commercial success.

FPS games are marketed primarily at males. That percentage (I imagine) would be a LOT lower if it were for FPS games only. I mean, I imagine a very high percentage of women watch movies... but war movies? Probably not so many. I'm not against female models, but SD would have to be cutting a lot of features to appeal to what is probably a smaller percentage of the playerbase.

According to Gamersfirst, 5% of their bete applicants for All Points Bulletin Reloaded were female.

i'm just wondering if Teh Stoopid is a real person seems like he's assuming alot about most of us here considering the only posts like the fat chix thing were just jokes.

how many successful all girl bands have you seen Madonna,Dixie Chicks, Heart, Blondie (Heart and Blondie are ah'ight)?
now check out Aerosmith ,Iron Maiden ,Judas Priest (well Rob is gay so maybe that one doesn't count) Disturbed ,etc.
there are plenty of things women are known for and i'm not meaning to be sixist but there's also alot of things they just aren't as capable at im sure there's plenty of women who'll whoop me at CoD and plenty more at Halo but it's kinda like seeing a girl in the military it's a 3/10 ratio most times out of 12 people in a game lobby maybe 4-5 are girls depending on what game it is.just look at the forums so far i've seen probably 8-9 girls 3-4 are confirmed all the others are guy's.

also we are talking about girls as in fem's over the age of 12 right? cause there's tons of girls who play Barbie and Hello Kitty Island,real women play FPS's :wink_smile:

I'm just glad I'm not the only girl gamer on these boards, lol. ^_^

Now if you will excuse me, I will play those so-called girly Facebook/phone/whatever social games that many girls love to play and many people, especially males love to complain about, teehee.

We girls will take over the casual gaming market and "Bejewel" all of your manly games, muhahaha! (Just kidding, lol!)

Well, Brink is becoming my male equivalent of Barbie---my Brink dude is going to be the Ken....or is that G.I.Joe? :laugh:

Well, if you've been lurking, I'm not sure how appropriate a welcome would be. However, I'll extend one just in case it would be appropriate...

Welcome to the forums!



My only issue with this is her height - I don't believe (male) heavies are going to be a towering 6' 9", so I'm not sure how that would be handled. Because if she was a foot shorter, some find might find her strength in relation to her appearance unbelievable. Not myself necessarily, but I'd certainly be a tad more skeptical.

Oh, and you're right about what my first response would be - which would then be followed by my second response: crying and feigning death, and desperately hoping for her to not rip me to pieces.



While I will agree 40% is probably true, how much of that 40% accounts for women who spend their days playing Farmville, Bejeweled, or The Sims? I'm not trying to sound sixist (my sister plays Final Fantasy and Gears of War, so I know some women play more than those) or call those games inferior (I love me some Bejeweled), but I'm almost positive a large portion of that 40% are from those sort of games, rather than shooters such as Brink.

I'm not trying to devalue your point, but that 40% statistic can be misleading.



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More power to you - breaking from the mold instead of conforming to cookie cutter appearances is almost always preferable.

i just don't think you should post going on what girls do play with your pretty little "statistics" without actually knowing any girls in RL or even having the proper equipment to know what women like :teehee: let the girls of the forums decide what they like and then reply with you own opinions. until your reborn as a chick i don't think you have a say in what girls like.

i'd have 3 girls named Ann ,Ann-visable, Ann-flatable and Ann-job

I'd have one maths for you. :teehee: Then you have the proper equipment to know what women like ...

I don't understand why it would limit customization. Add short shorts and the hoodie from anger could be uni-six..........maybe if they extend the deadline again...

I agree although i am not a girl gamer.
i play with lots on halo though :foodndrink: .

Extending the deadline again wouldn't help - mainly because the ensuing riots in the streets would probably keep SD from getting much done.

I don't see how this topic is still going, we have been over this so many times yet we still discuss it, and people keep saying Brink 2 when Brink isn't even out yet and how do you know they wont have the same problem as they do in Brink?

Because Richard Ham said it would be a priority in Brink 2.

Indeed he did.

i honestly wanted there to be females because i understand your point...and i also wanted to see resistance chicks in torn t-shirts and what not... :hubbahubba:

you sicko...*writes it down*

This sure is a bold statement to make about a group of people you aren't even apart of, all these threads get locked because it seems the closer we get to the release the more people that come in here and ask questions that create bad responses.

OT:
1. As its been said before the devs wanted to put female characters in the game.
2. They had concept art and had worked the whole bodytype thing out.
3. Females were scraqed in game because it didnt fit in the development time, this game's release date was pushed back twice so be happy were even getting it.

I support the need for female character models, not because I care to see or shoot them, but rather because men get male character models so why can't women get female character models.

To the "Female characters don't move the same/aren't the same size" given by developers (and this isn't the first game to cut them) responses...

Is it possible that maybe, just maybe, a female player might still prefer a slightly buff female character model that moves like a male character model to the actual male character model?

It doesn't need to be hugely different to at least be a start in the right direction.