Simple question, where did it come from?

If anyone says BOS or Enclave I'm going to have to say no to it directly.

First let's take Enclave, they're a military organization who has very strict policies with it's soldiers, scientists and officers.
If anyone used Jet they'd likely be punished harshly and the Jet showed up before them in CW anyway.

Now the BOS, I don't think it's feasible here either.
Consider that the BOS came from the west across an entire continent, and it's not like they walked non-stop, they stopped at places to loot and kill stuff too.

So, why would they bring with them Jet? Why would the elders back west approve of it? Why would Lyons approve of it?
They wouldn't.

Why couldn't a few BOS members have been addicted and brought them with them?
What? They had a huge stash of Jet to use all the way over to WC?
Like Lyons and others wouldn't notice if their soldiers had a huge stash of inappropriate chems with them.
Or that the supply wouldn't run out.

Why couldn't someone in Lyons Brotherhood have made Jet in small doses for him/herself?
Again, I don't find it feasible to think that no one else noticed it and that (s)he is hopped up on Jet not to mention producing it.
Remember that they have to travel a long way, which means that (s)he wouldn't have all the time in the world to produce Jet either.
So they would notice the withdrawal symptoms that appear after not being able to produce any Jet for a while.

I don't see any way that the BOS or Enclave would bring it along with them.
So how did it came to be in the east coast?
Trading?
Uh-huh, I'm sure that traders went through Legion lands with illegal chems from the west just so they could sell it in DC.

Now, what logical reason would there be for Jet, a chem created in 2241 in Reno, to be in the East Coast considering that raider-utopia Arizona or Legion was in the way?

uh wizerd did it

Damn radiation magic... We need to put a ban on this, like Nirn did with Levitation magic!

Jet was created in New Reno ( FO 2 ) and like all drugs being small and easy to transport ,was sure to spread.

Drugs are currency. Just like today.

I'm just going to assume the FO3's Jet is completely different drug altogether...that just has the same name by coincidence. Honestly, it's the only explanation that kinda' makes sense otherwise.

You might be looking for a different explanation but I found this

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Jet

Myron discovered Jet by mistake in his attempt to create an addictive drug for the Mordino Family of New Reno. He found that the slaves were getting high of the brahmin crap.

Here Myron explains ==>

I always assumed that in any large organization you'll have your junkies or your people willing to make money through unethical means, and somebody from the BOS brought it.

Or the drug spread the usual way: somebody figures out how to make it and heads out East so there be less competition. Where he settles down somebody else will figure out how to make Jet from HIM and head East to avoid competition. Eventually reaching the Capitol Wasteland.

If you asking where Jet came from in Fallout 3, well it's simple ==> did it.

Since Jet isn't as powerful as it was in Fallout 2, it could be it's expired stuff being brought into the DC area by traiders.

Since this happened to Myron in Fallout 2 ==> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6cyXBXKFt4&feature=youtu.be I believe Jet production isn't going on in Core Region anymore. Also the Bishop Family is running New Reno. Then there is the quest to find a cure for Jet.

I guess the cure for Jet Quest in Fallout 2 is canon since Jet didn't seem to be a huge problem in Fallout New Vegas. That and Redding ended up joining the NCR.

If the cure is canon and the Mordio Family is no longer making Jet. It's possible that those that had alot of Jet are selling it to people in places that don't have access to the cure. Since it has been over 40 years since Jet was produced, it's possible it has gone bad hence why it's super weak in Fallout 3 and New Vegas.

Considering after Myron died, it's pointed out Jet was still found to be made. Take the real world, how is new crack or cocaine made? People find it, try and make their own easier, cheaper stuff.

Plus, there are Ghouls and Wastelanders. Despite the apparent giant wall most everyone has around here when I say this, but, surprisingly, Wastelanders have feet, they move, they travel. Some people aren't afraid of the roads to travel, so they make their way to D.C., intentionally or no, and they start selling where the market is viable.

And before anyone goes 'WHAT ABOUT THOSE SAFES THAT WERE LOCKED FOR 200 YEARS! HERP! DERP!', don't try to use game mechanics as lore explanation, because if I did that, I could say the Enclave in Fallout 2 is an infinite army, as I've killed hundreds of them, and yet they still spawn.

But who says those safes and stuff were locked for 200 years? If we can lock pick them, who is to say others haven't in the past? 200 years is along time. Some wastelander could have unlocked the safe and used it for their own reason, relocked it and then never came back.

Take the quest in Fallout 3 to get the Xuanlong assult rifle. Those guys were using safes for their own reasons and leaving stuff in them.

In the case of Jet those safes would have had to have been unlocked by people within a window of 40 years or so, but still 40 years is along time. Given how deadly DC is a Safe is a great place to store your loot. The harder it is to get into the better. It also explains why people never came back for their loot, they got killed.

I'm not saying it's implausible. I was actually going to post about them using safes as a storage point, but didn't feel like some determined moron to come in whining 'ONLY DA PLAYUH CAN UNLOK SAEFS!' or some other dumb attempt to prove me wrong. I really don't care about this topic anyway. I've stopped caring after the past three or four times this was brought up where I try to logically explain how its possible, someone goes on a rant saying I'm wrong, or just goes 'NOPE YOUR WRONG!' without explaining why.

NOPE YOUR WRONG!!

It's okay little fella. I know you make arguements like that a lot. Do you need http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Dean_Dewey to escort you back your classroom?

I understand your point on that. People that just say your wrong and only the Player can unlock safes clearly aren't paying attention to the game world in all the Fallout games. People use safes in all Fallout games, even in Fallout 3. So for someone to say "Only the player can unlock safes" is just nonsensical and you shouldn't let people like that get you down.

But that's the problem.
Legion is in the way, not to mention a whole freaking continent, not just a country, but a whole continent of travel distance packed with radiation, radioactive duststorms, raiders, mutants and other hazardous places like Sierra Madre and Big Empy.
So for someone to just "spread it" all across a continent in under 40 years doesn't make sense to me.

And again, the Brotherhood Of Steel are a very strict military organization. The idea that someone had a stash large enough to make it to the east or that (s)he produced it on the road without ever getting caugh doesn't make any sense to me either.

The explanations of "Oh someone just brought it" or "Oh but drugs spread" are too vague and I dont' want them.
BOS would have noticed an addict in their crew and that addict would be dealt with, not allowed to continue to produce Jet and spread it everywhere they go.
Enclave would have noticed if one of their members were an addict and would, again, be dealt with.

The wasteland in between the west and east is massive and cluttered with life-threathening mutants, raiders and radiation.

As to the wikia's article, that the BOS might have introduced it as a combat drug or whatever doesn't make any sense either.
If they were resonsible for one of the most addictive drugs in Fallout, one which that guy in Megaton is addicted to, then we'd have information on it in the game.


None of these speculations make any sense to me.
But they share the, 90% exact, container too.

Baw. That's the most logical answer, and besides, right after Fallout 2 would, give or take, be the time that Edward first started out in or around the tribals. So it's plausible people with a stash just wandered east and stopped in D.C. and seeing as the Sierra Madre and Big Empty hold no stopping power on New Reno, which is far north of either, that throws a wrench into your claim. There is plausibility here, you just don't want to accept it.

Well the thing is the Brotherhood and Enclave aren't the only ones to travel to DC. There is also the ex-Enclave guy that made the trip, and if the BoS traveled all that way, other merchants would have traveled that way as well.

Not to mention that the BoS were sending people to and from DC and Lost Hills for sometime. Arthur Maxson was born in the Core Region and was only sent to Lyons after Lyons estblished himself in DC. Then for the Brotherhood back west to exile Lyons for what he had done. This all shows people moving between Lost Hills and DC.

The Brotherhood are people too, and even in a strict military organization you can get drug addicts. I am just saying you can't rule out the Brotherhood or even the Enclave for that matter. But I think the most likely cause for Jet ending up in DC is by merchants following the BoS.

Then in Fallout Tactics it's also mentioned that Slavers have vast trade networks. This is proven by a slave women that was taken from the town of Great Bend (Kansas) and ended up in Freeport (Illinois).

I still believe Jet isn't being produced anywhere in the Wasteland and what we see is simply expired stuff being sold in new markets. Brought into the area by traiders, slavers, and so on.

If it is being made it's being produced by people that don't know what they are doing. They aren't as smart as Myron was, not even close, and what they are making is just garbage.

Right, so someone decided to travel through Arizona and whatnot through lands of tribals and raiders with a stash of jet to sell on the east.
Sounds like a flawless, financial, no risk decision.

With Sierra Madre and Big Empty I didn't mean "them" being in the way, I meant that we know places like this exist, so in the vast distance between the west and east there is surely many more such locations to find, locations which devour anyone who enteres them.

Finally, the west coast was/is more civilized.
Drug export there isn't much of an issue.
What does become an issue is when there is a whole state of tribals and raiders ready to kill/rob/enslave you.


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1. I still find it implausable that all of those people made it through a continent. I can understand a BOS chapter, I cannot understand some nobodies galloping through with little trouble.
We have a wall of a nation in between them and they managed to get through that wall with no problems?
We have an entire wasteland and people just walk across it?
Traders just randomly set off into the sun-set with no idea where they're going?
People use the subway while reading newspapers and drinking some coffee?

But alas, we have the facts, people have made it through, so I suppose there is a subway leading to and from DC to the Core Region.
Tuesdays is half price off for a ticket.

Ironic thing is, that some of these people made it through an entire continent with little problems, yet in DC traders don't survive even a month due to how hostile it is.



2. I'm not saying it isn't possible for them to have addicts. I'm saying the idea of the BOS or Enclave allowing them to indulge in their addiction makes no sense. I'm sure there are addicts in both groups, but they must have been dealt with when the brass found it out. Do you think a soldier in the US army would be allowed to indulge in a cocaine addiction or be dealt with? (Dealt with can mean many things, like ranging from treating withdrawal to execution)

Well there are ways around Arizona. If it's worth it, people would take the long way around. Then there are also people that would have some idea of how to make it, but not have any Jet on them so they can safely make it though Legion areas.

Also just because things are more civilized doesn't mean drug use and production was stopped in NCR. There are people making and selling drugs in every first world contry today. So to say it wouldn't be happening in NCR isn't logical at all. Also NCR was ok with having Slavers at the door step of their capital city (Shady Sands) in Fallout 2. So who is to say they are against drug production? Unless I missed something....

Also didn't the Khans make Jet? I just remembered they were making drugs but was jet one of them?

We're not saying one guy brought it. Someone learns it from Myron or figures it out himself, he moves East a little ways to escape competition, somebody learns it from him when he settles down and moves East, somebody moves it from the second guy and moves East, somebody learns it from the 3rd guy and moves East. Over hundreds of such people, it will eventually reach the Capitol Wasteland. In only 40 years I agree is kinda unrealistic but it can be done.

And in ANY large organization, you WILL have unsavory types addicted to drugs or willing to sell it to make money. It's human nature. Somebody in the BOS was probably a secret smuggler selling to other BOS and he took it with him when he was chosen to go the East Coast. It can happen.

I also forgot about Fallout 3's "My First Laboratory" which produced Jet. But does that count as canon? Or was it something just added by Bethesda "for fun."

Then there are the Great Khans but I can't remember if they make Jet as well.

So I guess there goes my theory that it isn't be produced anymore but still what they are producing is just garbage compared to Fallout 2 Jet.

But as for it getting into DC, it could be getting in there by many people and groups, not just one guy or faction.

Just a few things I'm wondering about, if Jet made it all the way to the east coast, how come most weapons from the west didn't?
Think about it, how many Fallout 1/2 weapons are there in comparison to Fallout 3 weapons?

I don't want to discuss the weapon lore or anything but I'm just making a point with this.
Jet, something exclusively made and dealt by Reno, makes it's way across an entire continent, yet not a single Wattz weapon turn up? Despite Wattz being made pre-war and should be, well, everywhere.
(And don't get me wrong I still found it pretty [censored] of Obsidian to not include any Wattz weapons too, I'm not biased.)

So okay, say a brotherhood member was like a super spy and managed to hide his addiction and continue to create more Jet during several months, if not years, that it took to cross the continent. Then why is there barely any west-coast weapons? They didn't bring any or what?

Fine, some random trader managed to magically cross the hostile wasteland just so he could go into a complete hell hole, yet he didn't bring a supply of west-coast weapons?

Okay, The Enclave produced new weapons to use, yet they didn't produce any chems for their soldiers to get an upper edge? And not a single Enclave soldier had an emotional attachement to his Wattz 200?

Yknow, just saying.

The jet being made in Fallout 3 is a much weaker version than in Fallout 2. It could be that the weak version is an easy thing to make.

Weapons getting to DC from the west, it could be that they get damaged on the trip and are very hard to make. So people just have to rely on the weapons they find in DC. But mostly it's just due to game design, so it isn't logical to put to much thought into it.

Why are there no orginal M72 Gauss Rifles in Fallout 3 or New Vegas? That bugs the hell out of me, but I am not looking for a canon explanation. It would be great if they had the M72 and new versions in the next game.

I suppose it's the same thing with Jet then.