Where is Jyggylag? : The Elder Scrolls Series Discussion

» Fri May 04, 2012 2:53 am

Sadly I'm of the opinion the Lady Nerevar is right on this topic.

I want nothing more than a DLC/expansion where Jyggy after 200 years planning for every eventuality in the void, decides he's got his sh*t together, concludes he likes the look of say, Clavicus Viles realm then launches his attack. Jyggy enlists you as his champion on the ground to help take over the Realm or Clavicus Vile/ enlists you as their champion to repel Jyggy's attack. The latter may be too close to SI, and the first may be lacking in imagination, I just don't want to see Jyggy folded back into Sheggy that's all...

» Fri May 04, 2012 6:19 am

If Jyggalag falls back into madness, the entire Shivering Isles storyline would be for nothing. I don't think the writers would do that.

» Thu May 03, 2012 8:07 pm

If Jyggalag falls back into madness, the entire Shivering Isles storyline would be for nothing. I don't think the writers would do that.

I think if Jyggy isn't given even a mention in a DLC for Skyrim we can assume it's the direction the writers are leaning.

» Fri May 04, 2012 9:39 am

Bah. He doesn't fall back into Sheo at all. He completely ceased to exist. The most orderly of all possible fates.

» Fri May 04, 2012 5:11 am

If Jyggalag falls back into madness, the entire Shivering Isles storyline would be for nothing. I don't think the writers would do that.

It would be quite appropriate imo.

» Fri May 04, 2012 2:11 am

I do not follow. When would a meaningless storyline ever be appropriate?

» Thu May 03, 2012 11:08 pm

It would be quite insane, of course, and that was the whole point of the story. That madness cannot be conquered, that madness always wins in the end.

» Fri May 04, 2012 12:05 pm

I wouldn't call it insane to have a plot line that ends with the status quo unchanged. More...boring.

In any case, the idea is not that madness wins in the end, but rather that order will always come back. The idea is that Jyggalag will be dragged back into Sheogorath, yes, but then start Greymarching all over the place all over again.

» Thu May 03, 2012 9:58 pm

Guess it's a matter of opinion then. I personally always saw Jyggalag's order as just another type of madness, an OCD, and the whole "do the same thing over and over again and hope something different happens" deal he has going on.

And if we take Jyggalag's order to be a type of madness, it very easily answers the question of where he went. He was reabsorbed back into the new, fully mantled Sheogorath.

» Fri May 04, 2012 11:31 am

Again, Status Quo. What was the point, if nothing changed from the time I passed through the strange door and the time I sat on the Throne of Madness?

» Fri May 04, 2012 6:23 am

What I mean to say is that Status Quo is the point. That, and it's a nice way to write off the CoC, and let some people say "omg ima daedric prinze lulz". Just a fun adventure to go through.

I might say it sets a couple of precedents though, namely that it is possible to mantle Daedric Princes (we probably always knew it was possible, but this is the first time we've had it acttually happen), that a half-mantled Daedric Prince can defeat Jyggalag, and that doing drugs can kill you.

» Thu May 03, 2012 11:25 pm

I don't think he was re-absorbed by Sheo mainly due to the fact that he gave that speech in SI. If there was no future for him, he would end like Alduin in Skyrim: yelled something and died.
Do mind also that he was gone for... well, ever since Nirn was created. It will take time to restore what was lost, return to full strength, prepare for the Grand Gray March and than start that Grand Gray March (tough he may have already started but we don't know yet... there is not much communication between Nirn and Oblivion after all...).

» Thu May 03, 2012 8:03 pm

It would be quite insane, of course, and that was the whole point of the story. That madness cannot be conquered, that madness always wins in the end.

Shivering Isles doesn't have a moral. The whole story was just the developers going "Hey Sheo's place would be pretty fun and lets explain that Daedric Prince who only appeared in one book".

Sadly I'm of the opinion the Lady Nerevar is right on this topic.

I want nothing more than a DLC/expansion where Jyggy after 200 years planning for every eventuality in the void, decides he's got his sh*t together, concludes he likes the look of say, Clavicus Viles realm then launches his attack. Jyggy enlists you as his champion on the ground to help take over the Realm or Clavicus Vile/ enlists you as their champion to repel Jyggy's attack. The latter may be too close to SI, and the first may be lacking in imagination, I just don't want to see Jyggy folded back into Sheggy that's all...

That would be pretty cool.

» Fri May 04, 2012 11:34 am

Shivering Isles doesn't have a moral. The whole story was just the developers going "Hey Sheo's place would be pretty fun and lets explain that Daedric Prince who only appeared in one book".

Hold on, Jyggalag was mentioned previous to the Shivering Isles? Where?

» Fri May 04, 2012 12:21 pm

Hold on, Jyggalag was mentioned previous to the Shivering Isles? Where?

The book "On Oblivion" mentions him. This was the only mention of him until Shivering Isles.

» Fri May 04, 2012 3:41 am

No [VEHK]? I didn't even notice...

» Fri May 04, 2012 3:20 am

Jyg-gal-lag

Do we understand each other?

Jyg's further evidence the Daedra were trapped by Convention - that passivity is tantamount to action - and there is one, collective Dreamer. Jyg being the previous; we being the new.

» Fri May 04, 2012 5:16 am

Again, Status Quo. What was the point, if nothing changed from the time I passed through the strange door and the time I sat on the Throne of Madness?

Sheogorath was bored, so he made a game and found a champion to play it. There isn't a reason; Sheo planned the greymarch because he felt like it.

» Fri May 04, 2012 11:43 am

Jyg planned it. Sheo told it. We believed it.

» Thu May 03, 2012 9:31 pm

Jyggalag is getting his *** kicked in oblivion, he was weak as hell when i fought him during oblivion. He seems like the weakest daedric prince to me.

» Fri May 04, 2012 7:22 am

Jyggalag is getting his *** kicked in oblivion, he was weak as hell when i fought him during oblivion. He seems like the weakest daedric prince to me.

But did you ever wonder why? It is said he could predict everything. He should have seen those Daedra ganging up on him miles ahead. These days he can't even predict his own demise at the hands of a mortal champion. Where did this element of uncertainty in his predictions come from?

» Fri May 04, 2012 1:57 am

But did you ever wonder why? It is said he could predict everything. He should have seen those Daedra ganging up on him miles ahead. These days he can't even predict his own demise at the hands of a mortal champion. Where did this element of uncertainty in his predictions come from?

Some say the mortal realm, but that's wrong, because Dyus managed to predict Numidium and Tiber Septim.

» Fri May 04, 2012 10:32 am

He managed to predict the names of the actors, and the events themselves?

I think that's a little bit ridiculous. And like I said, so is "order" as a theme, too.

If he predicted Tiber Septim, then did he deduce the nature of the enantiomorph? Who killed who, etc. I don't think that's possible.

» Fri May 04, 2012 4:45 am

He managed to predict the names of the actors, and the events themselves?

I think that's a little bit ridiculous. And like I said, so is "order" as a theme, too.

If he predicted Tiber Septim, then did he deduce the nature of the enantiomorph? Who killed who, etc. I don't think that's possible.

"Contained within its walls were the logical prediction of every action ever taken by any creature, mortal or Daedric. Every birth. Every death. The rise of Tiber Septim. The Numidium. Everything."-Dyus. Bastard was locked up during the merethic, but he still knew those names, and knew that you inevitably were going to visit him. In fact you creating the Staff was the only thing that surprised him.

» Fri May 04, 2012 6:39 am

Dyus is a rotten liar. He didn't predict Numidium, he witnessed it.