Skyrim takes place 200 years after Oblivion, right? So... why are there no Jyggylag worshipers or a quest for him?

Jyggalag died with the last Sheogorath, believe it or not.

Or reincorporated into the current Sheo. I don't see the lord of order adapting to the ever chaotic Mundus too well without driving himself mad.

Sure, a Daedric prince can "die", but they aren't ever really dead...

Example: Mehrunes Dagon is killed in the Oblivion crisis, but he's obviously not dead 200 years later when you're able to contact him at his shrine in Skyrim.

Dagon wasn't killed in the Crisis, merely banished back to Oblivion. As for Jyggy, he turned back into Sheggy.

I thought the new Sheggy is the CoC, he even referenced some of the plots of Oblivion when talking Pelagius, correct me if I'm wrong.

My guess is that he is secretly rebuilding his forces in some obscure corner of Oblivion. The reason the other Daedric Lords turned him into Sheogorath was because they feared he was too powerful compared to them and knowing Daedric Lords, Jyggalag probably wants at least some form of retribution. Considering how powerful the Lords possibly are, such an act of vengeance might take more than two relatively short centuries.

Why would he turn back into Sheogorath? The whole point of the Shivering Isles was to break that cycle.

http://imperial-library.info/content/arden-sul-1. I'd say that the lack of Jyggylag, or even a mention of him, reinforces my conclusion.

Arden-Sul, yeah. But...even so. I can't, or rather I do not wish to accept that Jyggalag was introduced as a character only to disappear without any real explanation. It's only been 200 years, in any case. When Arden Sul mantled Sheogorath, it lasted for several thousand years.

Which of course raises the question of whether Sheogorath-Jyggalag is older than this Kalpa. But that's irrelevant to this discussion.

The point is that I find the idea of Jyggalag getting reabsorbed even after a Player Character has mantled him, leaving no trace and beginning the cycle over again, Boring, And Therefore Wrong.

Yeah. I went there.

Jyggalag might not even be a daedric prince. Someone mentioned some theory about the Knights of Order actually being Magna Ge or something. Considering Meridia (was) a Magna Ge, maybe Jygg returned to the Aether?

Jyggalag is a ridiculous entity. I loath SI.

Why?

This point would seem to break most theories of him going back into Sheogorath. Bethesda wouldn't intentionally destroy a point of an expansion for lore.

So where is Jygallag OP? off on a crusade most likely. He did it before and he'll do it again. Dremora beware, there's a new badass over here.

I thought it was pretty commonly understood that the Et'Ada predated the current Kalpa; I mean, maybe my understanding is flawed here, but the Kalpa system doesn't apply to the Aurbis, it applies to Mundus. Beyond the confines of the mortal realm, time and space become a little more wonky. (See, the Dawn. Also see On Boethiah's Summoning Day, Chimere raises a point along these lines.) If the realms/Spirits of Oblivion were consumed along with Mundus/the Aedra, then the whole bit about The Leaper Demon King hiding pieces between Kalpas (and consequently being cursed into Dagon in the current) wouldn't really make sense.

I understood the Summoning Day Letters to indicate that the Daedra replaced the Aedra each time around by coalescing into the next Nirn.

Too much sugar in his tea. Jyggy is a giant sugar cube you know.

I got that too, which left me a little conflicted, to be honest; Do the concepts themselves come to comprise the new world, or do the concepts change in becoming the new world?

IMO, Jyggalag makes perfect sense symbolically. See, true madness must contain a shard of sanity. Because when you can't even rely on a madman to be mad is when things really start getting interesting. And by the same token, if Jyggalag as we met him in SI did truly separate from the ascendant Hero, it does not mean that the 'new' Sheogorath will not be subject to the 'same' cycle. For if the ascendant Hero truly embodies madness, a shard of sanity will by necessity crystallize and begin the whole thing again.

From another perspective, you could say that Jyggalag himself is purely insane. 'Cause, really, pure logic's insanity, and particularly the way that he does it. Which I feel is reflected in his long-gone Library's fallibility.

Crystalized mundanities.

Order is not a Daedric concept. Jyg's origin lies in lazy antonymics, on both the Dedra's and the Dev's side.

[NUMINIT], Order's not a Daedric concept. Daedra aren't bound to be Padomaic. Look at Meridia. Azura. Daedra are merely those that chose not to participate in Convention, but remained to [VEHK] with the mortals.

Something something http://www.imperial-library.info/content/thoughts-about-daedra As far as the Anuic/Padomaic thing goes, while one might think he embodies Anuic qualities, if he doesn't or can't create, and can only change (order) things, he is padomaic.

Anuic/Padamaic, whatever. Fine.

I'm not going to defy orthdoxy about SI. But I can still whine.

I just think "Order" is a crappy and boring plotline to have involved with Sheogorath, one of the most loved Daedra. Seriously, who has ever worshipped the "God of Order" in lore?

No one. Jyg is shoved straight into one of the most cherished characters in TES, all for the simple virtue of the being the "opposite" of "madness." It's just hammy, stupid lore.

And "Order" is far too vague (and silly) to be sure about anything regarding it. That's probably why the Devs have quietly put Jyg to the side.

Jyggalag was never meant to be the opposite of Sheogorath. Jyggalag just hates Sheogorath with a passion. He is so obsessed with Order and Predictability and the Destruction of Madness that he is blind to the fact that Jyggalag himself is insane. Which comes to the conclusion that Jyggalag now resides within the new, post SI Sheogorath.

Jyggalag is not the opposite of Madness, he is in fact a facet of Madness.



Well, yeah. Considering that Jyggalag doesn't even manifest himself until one point in an entire era, it would only be appropriate that few people even know him. It's also telling that the people that do worship him are residents of the Shivering Isles, more evidence that Jyggalag is just another facet of Madness.

That's an interesting point of view, but it doesn't necessarily disprove or even discourage any other ideas. You claim that Sheogorath came to be when Lorkhan's divine spark was removed, and you base that claim on the book "Varieties of Faith." If that is true, the notion that Jyggylag is just a rebellious facet of Sheogorath is quite plausible. But if "Mikhael Karkuxor" was wrong when it came to the details of the creation of the Daedra (and, not having witnessed it himself, he very might have been), then your theory just doesn't work any more. All throughout the course of the Shivering Isles expansion pack, the player is encouraged to believe that Jyggy existed first before the other Daedric Princes cursed him to become Sheogorath. So who's right... a clueless, pondering scribe in the Imperial College, or the delusional denizens of the Shivering Isles?