Yellow everyone. So, Lorkhan is dead. His flesh, Secunda and Masser, is rotting in the sky and will eventually disappear. Does that mean that Lorkhan exists no more? Is he ever going to return? Where do gods go when/if they die? And what happened to Magnus? A part of him is still on the world, what about the other part? Is it in Aetherius?

Can someone elaborate on Secunda and Masser? I too thought that they were to do Lorkhan's body, but luagar slapped me down and told me that they weren't.

Lorkhan is and is not. I haven't reached a level of mental madness like some lorelords here. They'll help you better than I can, I want to know the moon question though.

Nirn is what it is because of Lorkhan's presence. The mush-minded Aedra couldn't hold this place together without some good inspiration.

Lorkhan is selfishness and freedom and many other things, much more complicated and crucial than 'Nature' or 'Sky.'

Lorkhan exists in half-death. (See http://www.imperial-library.info/obscure_text/aldudagga.shtml#6). It is unknown whether he will return, although it has been hinted at that he will, in fact, return one day. It is unknown where gods go after they die. The Aedra that have died turned into the Earthbones, otherwise known as "the laws of nature". Magnus left Mundus before it was completed to avoid being trapped here with the rest of the Aedra. The hole that he tore in Oblivion to get back to Aetherius is the sun, so no part of Magnus is still on the world.


Secunda and Masser are the two moons above NIRN. They are said to be the body of Lorkhan, torn in half when his divine center (aka Heart) was removed and fell to earth, creating Red Mountain. There are craters in the moons because they are decaying. That is my understanding of the subject, at least.

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It bothers me so much that Masser is bigger. There's reason for it, and Cosmology states 'so much as one infinite quantity can be bigger than another' (Wierd says that this is true in real life) but all I can get out of it are flashbacks to the days of magical realism in the heavens.

Word Merchant, though you say the Aedra "died" and became the Earthbones, they aren't dead in our mortal terms are they? We've encountered Aedric spirits before many times. Most recently being the Martin incident with Akatosh, and the Mara + Wulf incarnations at Berandus and Ghostgate.

They died metaphorically, since they sacrificed parts of themselves, anchored themselves to mundane things and had their old identities polluted and modified by profane actions. That's death, and it resembles the mortal cycle as well. We worship their reincarnations, which are different than they and shaped by our own wishful thinking.

The Aldudagga is a humorous story, though. Are you sure it's really canon? I'm not sure I would take it for granted...

Anyway, I think that Lorkhan will eventually be revived. It seems that a recurring theme in recent TES games is the restoration of Lorkhan - for example, the Nerevarine freed his Heart in Morrowind.

What do you mean is it 'canon?' It's not an encyclopedic document, it's an old folk story, passed down by oral tradition.

Lord Hyamentar,

I believe that being dead in Divine terms means loss of consciousness and sentience, much like a dremora in darkness but neverending. For what its worth, here are two quotes of import on the subject:

"As part of the divine contract of creation, the Aedra can be killed. Witness Lorkhan and the moons."(http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/aedra_daedra.shtml)

"As their aspects began to die off, many of the et'Ada vanished completely. Some escaped, like Magnus, and that is why there are no limitations to magic. Others, like Y'ffre, transformed themselves into the Ehlnofey, the Earthbones, so that the whole world might not die. Some had to marry and make children just to last. Each generation was weaker than the last, and soon there were Aldmer. Darkness caved in. Lorkhan made armies out of the weakest souls and named them Men, and they brought Sithis into every quarter." (http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/monomyth.shtml#Altmeri)

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Well, from the looks of it, I wouldn't think the Aldudagga really "exists" in the TES universe, even as an old folk story. The usage of modern words (such as "crap") and all the jokes (such as "And Dagon laughed again, saying, 'No sh*t, Herkel, but all that bloodletting and fire at Sarthaal was enough for me [to pierce the veil of the oblivion]! All that whispering into elvish ears sure did the trick!'") make me unsure if it really is canon, or just a joke for fun.

Or both. Half of it seems lost in translation.

You don't see anyone citing it as proof, just discussing what it communicates in terms of the Nordic worldview.

It's fun at least.

MK's not the only one guilty of using out-of-place words. Oblivion? Psychopath?

And girlfriend? That one's not even in etymology dictionaries, it just links you to 'going steady' a term which is younger than my house.
Now it shows up in fan fics. Along with racism. Grrr.

Hey at least when MK spoke about wasabi, it made you smile.

It was more of a guffaw.

Well, I stand corrected.

Wait... what? when???

I linked Lorkhan to Aedra and Masser and Secundus, but you said they were unrelated, which confused me.

This thread; http://www.gamesas.com/bgsforums/index.php?showtopic=831893&st=20



It was when I spoke of Masser and Secunda being potential vectors for Corprus, like the Heart was.

I have a question that didn't warrant its own thread. Is there a name for the being that is Akatosh/Lorkhan? As a whole, I mean. Like, the quarter is the coins name, heads is one side, tails the other.

The Enantiomorph. I don't think any culture openly worships them as one.

The well-known Enantiomorph can be called Tiber Septim, but not so much Aka/Lor.

The All-Maker and the One are likely Anu with padomay, however.

Tiber Septim conquered Tamriel for fun then? Seeing that he aint a man really.

Ah, I've got what you're talking about now. I wasn't saying that the Moons were unrelated to Lorkhan but that they were unrelated to Corprus. Sorry for the confusion...

Of course Luagar, I respect your good answers to my questions!

Hm. I was wondering what the Enantiomorph was. Thanks.