Where is Oblivion?

Post » Wed Aug 18, 2010 4:04 pm

When you go to Mehrunes Dagon's realm, you are in the Deadlands, which is part of Oblivion. Further, when you go to Sheogorath's realm, you are in the Shivering Isles, which is also a part of Oblivion. Therefore, if you are in a Daedric realm, you are also in Oblivion. Oblivion is not "outside" of or separate from any of the realms of the 16 princes of misrule.

Saying Oblivion is outside or separate is like standing in your bedroom and saying, "I am in my bedroom, but I am not in my house."



You are kind of right, but not fully.
earth is in space, and we are on earth. would you say we are in space?
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Post » Wed Aug 18, 2010 7:32 pm

You are kind of right, but not fully.
earth is in space, and we are on earth. would you say we are in space?


Technically yes, since earth 'takes up space', and you take up 'unused space' on earth, then you are technically 'in space'.
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Post » Thu Aug 19, 2010 12:48 am

You are kind of right, but not fully.
earth is in space, and we are on earth. would you say we are in space?

Would you say we exist outside of space?
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Post » Wed Aug 18, 2010 6:49 pm

Would you say we exist outside of space?

Exactly.
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Post » Wed Aug 18, 2010 1:35 pm

You never go to oblivion its self: it is space in a different dimension. But you go to Mehrunes Dagon's Sphere (planet) in that dimension. You also go to Sheogorath's sphere, but it is in the same dimension. in theory if you had a limitless supply of magicka, you could levitate out of either sphere into oblivion, and then go into any other deadric sphere.


Really? So once you're in one of the 16 realms, you're in the "Oblivion dimension"? Well, from there, couldn't you go to the aedric planes as well? Everybody so far has agreed that this picture I made is as precise as you can get with using Photoshop: http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/6984/lorej.jpg
And with that, the 8 aedric planes are also in Oblivion, just like the 16 daedric realms. Uhm..... okay, lemme make sure I'm grasping this, because http://www.imperial-library.info/obscure_text/cosmology.shtml doesn't say it directly, are the daedra also the holes that are the stars that are on the edge of oblivion that bridge to Aetherius?

And Don't forget this, are you implying that we could also go through the stars and into Aetherius as well? Or is Aetherius a separate dimension from Oblivion? Or do we not have enough information for that? Why do the stars shimmer any ways? If they're holes, is that implying that Aetherius is super bright on the other side of Oblivion? :huh:
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Post » Wed Aug 18, 2010 12:46 pm

And Don't forget this, are you implying that we could also go through the stars and into Aetherius as well? Or is Aetherius a separate dimension from Oblivion? Or do we not have enough information for that? Why do the stars shimmer any ways? If they're holes, is that implying that Aetherius is super bright on the other side of Oblivion? :huh:

Aetherius supposedly shines with the light of Magnus, which is seen through the holes as stars.
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Post » Wed Aug 18, 2010 11:21 am

Aetherius supposedly shines with the light of Magnus, which is seen through the holes as stars.

Magnus is just a hole like all the rest, he's just a much bigger hole which is why he appears as the sun. So that implies that there is bright light on the other side of Aetherius then?
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Post » Wed Aug 18, 2010 1:52 pm

Magnus is just a hole like all the rest, he's just a much bigger hole which is why he appears as the sun. So that implies that there is bright light on the other side of Aetherius then?

Magnus gives us magicka, and the elves consider light to be the strongest manifestation of magicka.
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Post » Wed Aug 18, 2010 2:45 pm

Magnus gives us magicka, and the elves consider light to be the strongest manifestation of magicka.

Where'd you read that at?
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Post » Wed Aug 18, 2010 5:58 pm

Where'd you read that at?


Av molag anyammis, av latta magicka.

"From fire, life; from light, magic."


http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Ayleid_Reference_Text
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Post » Wed Aug 18, 2010 6:47 pm

And for Magnus, from the http://www.imperial-library.info/obscure_text/cosmology.shtml:
"What is the sun?

Magnus is the sun, the largest hole in Oblivion, and the gateway to magic. Magnus was present at the creation of the mortal plane, and, in fact, was its architect (Lorkhan was its advocate and inspiration). Prehistoric (before ME2500, startyear) Nirn was a magical place, and highly unstable to the first mortals. Magnus then left, some say in disgust, and Oblivion filled in the void with the Void. His escape was not easy, and tatters of Magnus remain in the firmament as stars."


Also, from http://www.imperial-library.info/obbooks/glories_laments.shtml:
The ancient Ayleids recognized not the four elements of modern natural philosophy -- earth, water, air, and fire -- but the four elements of High Elf religion -- earth, water, air, and light. The Ayleids considered fire to be but a weak and corrupt form of light, which Ayleid philosophers identified with primary magical principles."
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Post » Wed Aug 18, 2010 8:53 pm

Av molag anyammis, av latta magicka.

"From fire, life; from light, magic."


http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Ayleid_Reference_Text

That's just a metaphor. That doesn't mean its true.
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Post » Wed Aug 18, 2010 7:34 pm

That's just a metaphor. That doesn't mean its true.

Where the hell does magic come from then?
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Post » Wed Aug 18, 2010 6:28 pm

That's just a metaphor. That doesn't mean its true.

It's not a metaphor when you can identify undeniable properties of magicka contained within light; how do you think the Ayleids managed to craft their welkynd stones?
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Post » Wed Aug 18, 2010 12:55 pm

It's not a metaphor when you can identify undeniable properties of magicka contained within light; how do you think the Ayleids managed to craft their welkynd stones?

Indeed, they light their halls with the stuff.
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Post » Wed Aug 18, 2010 11:13 pm

Yeah, you're right. But that still doesn't answer my first question; where is the light coming from?
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Post » Wed Aug 18, 2010 11:21 am

Yeah, you're right. But that still doesn't answer my first question; where is the light coming from?

Magic, IE, Magnus.
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Post » Wed Aug 18, 2010 2:18 pm

Magic, IE, Magnus.

Ohh, I think I might be getting it. http://www.imperial-library.info/obscure_text/cosmology.shtml

...Magnus then left, some say in disgust, and Oblivion filled in the void with the Void. His escape was not easy, and tatters of Magnus remain in the firmament as stars.
So all the other holes are not created by the daedra, but they're actually just the other rips in the edge of Oblivion that Magnus made when he left? Oblivion is a sphere in another dimension right? That would explain why all the holes Magnus left are the same distance from Mundus. So, if Magnus was a bee, it'd be like he was a bee stuck in a spherical cloth container. And this bee buzzed it's way through the fabric and left a big hole. But some how, as the bee did that, it also left many other holes all around the inside of this cloth sphere, albeit, much smaller holes.
So does that mean that Magnus is in Aetherius now? I mean, where did he take off to?
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Post » Thu Aug 19, 2010 3:22 am

So, if Magnus was a bee, it'd be like he was a bee stuck in a spherical cloth container. And this bee buzzed it's way through the fabric and left a big hole. But some how, as the bee did that, it also left many other holes all around the inside of this cloth sphere, albeit, much smaller holes.


More like a bee and a lot of little bees.

If I remember correctly, Magnus wasnt the only one to flee. There were other spirits who left with him
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Post » Wed Aug 18, 2010 8:52 pm

More like a bee and a lot of little bees.

If I remember correctly, Magnus wasnt the only one to flee. There were other spirits who left with him

And those other spirits created the stars. And because there are holes pretty much dotting oblivion to the aethrius, radiation (magic) leaks out from those holes and descends upon everyone :D
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Post » Wed Aug 18, 2010 11:27 pm

And those other spirits created the stars. And because there are holes pretty much dotting oblivion to the aethrius, radiation (magic) leaks out from those holes and descends upon everyone :D

Where these other spirits created from the bloodshed of Anu and Padomay?

And who or what is this AE? http://www.imperial-library.info/fsg/luagararticle1.shtml

All creation is subgradient. First was Void, which became split by AE. Anu and Padomay came next and with their first brush came the Aurbis.
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Post » Wed Aug 18, 2010 10:06 pm

Where these other spirits created from the bloodshed of Anu and Padomay?

And who or what is this AE? http://www.imperial-library.info/fsg/luagararticle1.shtml

All creation is subgradient. First was Void, which became split by AE. Anu and Padomay came next and with their first brush came the Aurbis.

Err...I was also saying that Magnus was not the only one to leave, he just made the biggest hole. The smaller holes are the other spirits that left with him.

AE is the godhead I believe. It's also used as "and" ala AYEM AE VEKH AE SEHT - Alamenxia and Vivec and Sotha Sil
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Post » Wed Aug 18, 2010 12:07 pm

Where these other spirits created from the bloodshed of Anu and Padomay?


They?re the rest of the et'ada we know nothing about; not aedra, not daedra
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They?re the rest of the et'ada we know nothing about; not aedra, not daedra

Where they the ones that became the EarthBones? (The natural forces of Nirn?)
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Post » Wed Aug 18, 2010 10:32 pm

Where they the ones that became the EarthBones? (The natural forces of Nirn?)

No. The Earthbones are the spirits that completely gave themselves (as opposed to what the aedra did, which was give a piece) to create Mundus, and give it its laws of physics and such.

The spirits that left with Magnus are known as the a fourth classification that I forgot about. By the way, they want nothing to do with Mundus at all. Heck, it is sometimes surmised that Meridia was once those people, but Magnus tossed her sorry butt out, because she was flirting with people outside the Aerithus, and is now the daedra of illicit spectra and radiation.
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