I'm a couple of quests into the brotherhood line. Danse's armor, and some of his and Rhys's dialogue, leads me to believe Outcast. But other dialogue from Danse, Haylen and Rhys leads me to believe Lyon's Pride. They accept outside recruits (Haylen herself is one) they make it a point to hunt feral ghouls and mutants, but they are in Boston in the first place for tech recovery and preservation, as per the more standard Brotherhood. And Rhys shows the more typical Brotherhood attitude.

They are the Capital Wasteland detachment, currently being led by Elder Maxson. (Formerly Squire Maxson) Maxson is more in line with the original brotherhoods objective than Lyons "save the people" one.

Yeah, but he seems to have gone further to the other side of the original BoS.

The originals (from FO1 and 2) were more or less a bunch of highly skilled and dangerous recluses. They didn't really go outside much except to scavenge tech.

This "new" faction is much more aggressive.

The Capital Wasteland faction of FO3 was also more aggressive, but were doing that to help other people outside the brotherhood.
These guys are just doing it to become a powerbase and to "cleanse the wasteland", more or less.

We are dealing with the section that believes that synthetic humans are against nature, I liked the ones in new Vegas more, they embraced new technology and didn't shy away from it.

Not really. Father Elijah was exiled for wanting to mess with new tech. And Veronica says the Mojave Brotherhood are dying a slow death because they can't keep up with the times and they're outnumbered 20:1 by the NCR.

Maxson is a little of the old Brotherhood and new Brotherhood taken to 11. It becomes a who watches the watchmen sort of situation. At some point you're no longer protecting humanity from dangerous technology, but you're actively stifling it from recovering from the Great War and evolving. The Enclave and Institute prove that the Brotherhood is needed, but I think they've started to overstep their role. The Brotherhood is all military. If their Scribes functioned more like emissaries and diplomats instead of anthrotechnological eggheads the Brotherhood would be better off.

The fairytale white knights of honour, melodrama and stuff.

They have obviously retained the doctrine of recruiting from wastelanders though, which is stricky against mainstream BOS teachings......so its Lyons' BOS under new management (at least this detachment, I'm not sure if its stated whether they are a detachment of the Lyons' BOS or all of the Eastern BOS) with a more hardline mandate for protecting the East Coast.

In some ways they are more like the Midwestern BOS was in Tactics, still tech horders but expansionist with it minus the conscription of the MWBOS.

To be honest i'm kinda disappointed that this is the D.C. brotherhood acting like this since it has been shown that the other chapters are dying out due to their tech hoarding dogma. They fact that they still recruit wastelanders is really the only good thing you can say about them.

So when it comes to laser rifles and gauss rifles they are all for new tech but when it comes to the HELIOS 1 sattlelight and Synths they burn you for witchcraft?

It's not the tech-hoarding dogma that's killing the Brotherhood but the "No helping outsiders/no accepting outside recruits" dogma.

Even then, seems like this Brotherhood doesn't lean too far to the "Tech-Hoarding" part. They don't seem to demand that you hand over a suit of PA or any energy weapons that you may carry. Granted, they weren't in that position to deal with at the start, but they seem to be more focused on hoarding advanced pre-war tech that a scavver can't use for anything but parts, or anything that'd be important enough to warrant taking away for the safety of others. A random waster with PA probably isn't *too* high on the list of things to harrass them about, but a random waster carrying the targeting device for a kill-sat might be.

Yeah, they are very much like the MWBoS - Their expansionist and tech-hoarding ideals, the airship, and conscription of wastelanders

Not witchcraft... science.

I mean; they have a point though. Humanity blew the world up with nuclear bombs. And they're still squabbling for scraps so they haven't learned much. I think they're taking that point and going too far with it. Can't stifle progress either.

I didn't know white knights could be xenophobic people with with near on Nazi doctrines.

Except the MW chapter also recruited nonhumans as well.

Also as I wrote earlier the are recuiting volunteers rather than conscripting, MWBos was pretty much "nice village, it would be a shame if it were destroyed......want to contribute some bodies to the cause?" Those conscripts were then given live fire training which killed off the majority until the were considered trained enough to become initiates and equipped with leather armour and junk weapons.

Maxson's BOS seems to be well experienced at getting volunteers and training them up without scaring away the locals through excessive losses.

Yes but in the game the atomic bomb was not "new" technology they used it in world war 2 same as us, everything was fine with it till some stupid country desided to attack us with it (probably destroying themselves in the process) the real lesson they should learn is don't give a warhead to a stupid person with a death wish.

Fascists that think only humans matter basically. With no regard as to wherever mutants can be good or not. At least when it comes to the leader.

I would have much preferred some "This is why mutants can be good too" dialog and such. Beyond that one synth quest. Bigger, on a grander scale. Public. Main plot related. Etc. Really make things grey for them. They need knocking down a peg or two in that regard.

Vault tec launched dem nukes boy not another country

How quickly people forget that the Capital Wasteland chapter had those exact same doctrines, and shot at non-feral ghouls on sight.

Which is why I'm very disappointed that the elder promotes you to Knight and quite literary gives you the good power armor on the spot just because of a good recommendation without having to prove yourself to him. As if the coming across the older set with a minigun early on wasn't enough.

I mean, what if I'm a spy? Oh wait... I was. See what I mean? XD

Seriously though, stop throwing good stuff at me at every corner. It feels cheap when I haven't earned it.

link to that, please?

Its speculation and I was joking. But check the salesmans nervousness at the start. He knows.

Personally, I don't really like the Brotherhood. In F3 I did, because at least Lyons wanted to help the people of the wastes. But in the original fallouts and F:NV, they were just as isolated and selfish as the institute is in F4. F4 BoS is very narrow minded, imo.

Side topic: too bad a certain Harkness hunting ass hat wasn't around to kill. I HATED that guy.

Heh, yes, but I think by the time all hell rained down, pretty much everyone in the world knew it was inevitable.

Plus, read your terminals and such. He was nervous because he thought maybe your character was on to them.