is like i told in the other post, they own it and they can do whatever they want, if they want they can invite a new Brotherhood chap for this Fallout4, is like Disney and SW history.

Not much u can do about it just enjoy it =D and learn to live with it

Gameplay wise maybe, but even the original devs of Fallout 1 outright said they were willing to change ANYTHING about GURPS, the very thing they based Fallout 1's gameplay on, in order to make the game better.

Lore wise, they have followed Fallout 1, 2, Tactics, and even the bible, quite well.

yeah that is so true =D u can get alot of stuff from Fallout 3 and NV that happen or are related to F1 and F2

It seems to me that they have the freedom to make whatever they choose to, but that it's as if they bought the last jar of special sauce and don't have the recipe to make more of it... So I expect to see more of the same stuff reused ad infinitum.

Gameplay has nothing to do with it unfortunately.

Everything about the setting has been simplified and conformed to a new audience. Hence that FO3 even [unintentionally] fooled some reviewers into thinking it was set in the 1950's. It's supposed to be the 50's inspired prediction of the future; not a 1950 IN the future.

They haven't used the Mid West BOS yet, and they are in set in the region for them. What more do you need?

Nothing says they have a massive army. But, considering they had territory which extended from Colorado up to Chicago, and the fact that they're one of the chapter's known for recruiting machines, deathclaws, ghouls, super mutants, and humans, it's possible they've created a sizeable force. It's unclear what the MwBoS have done since tactics, and it's virgin territory lore-wise, especially after the retcon of most of Tactics lore surrounding the chapter.

An encroaching Caesar's Legion is plenty reason to migrate Eastwards. The strange thing is that FNV confirms that the Legion isn't marching East to begin with, they're hell bent on claiming New Vegas and making it Caesar's pseudo-Rome. But, for their [the MwBoS] capital to be surrounded, the most logical thing to do would be build an airship and fly over them instead of risk going through them.

Well you can't be talking about the lore because, besides the FEV thing, the devs of the older games have said they got it right.

So... what are you talking about exactly if not gameplay or lore?

but they havent dont it like that, i mean Fallout 3 maybe wasnt as good as F1 or F2 story wise but the whole idea on it was nice, it make sence that VATS wasnt just test on one facility, plus all the turn around about the Brotherhood was nice, caring more for the ppl that the tec. Right now there are any reason from Betsh that tell me that they arent fallowing the lore or adapting to it.

u can argue about the new Skill sistem, it a way to improve it to me, and feel a little more realistic.

from the story wise i feel the game at least till F3 or NV was good, isnt the best story wise, but F1 or F2 wasnt either.

humor yeah maybe they can use more, but they said they adress that.

Like i said early for me Betsh are doing a exelent job with Fallout. Evrery game they come out wiht ES or Dishonor are good, the stories are good and the gameplay are good. Fallout isnt the diferent.

Do you not know that the story of FO3 ~was the stories of Fallout and Fallout 2 mashed together?
(And that they included stuff that was dying out or had been destroyed ~simply because they could... and that it's original, so it's undeniably Fallout~ish.)
*They even included the HubBucks, and wrote whatever it took to explain it... But worse... They included Jet, and in places that were apparently sealed up before the guy that invented Jet was even born; and it's called Jet.

is a way to see it, but agean it wasnt bad. i really dont see the problem with it.

is like saying Warcraft is a copy of Warhammer or the other way around

Was being the operative word there. Just because something WAS one way one year doesn't mean it will be in another.

It's like Blizzard saying lets make Warcraft 5 using the last three wow expansions set on a different continent with all the names changed.

Everything there was local, and some of it was once in a lifetime... except that they needed it for cementing FO3 to the IP.

I expect well see a standard faction intro for the BOS faction from Tactics; though I think it's too much to hope for that the PC won't be able to join them.
They might be a good source of Power armor scraps though.

so havent u play wow right??? lol Dreanor is using most of name from BC, and now Ligion is revisiting Illidan and old lore about Turalyon and Allaria. soo evry game do it man. i just dont see the big fuse about.

the story on fallout 3 maybe wasnt the most cool one but wasnt a direct copy from 1 and 2. it still feel original.

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The only thing that was local was FEV, which has already been brought up.

Of course not.

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As an aside: I will say that any use of bottle caps as currency outside of that very unusual situation there ~is nuts; doubly so considering FO3 was set in Washington DC.

Can we just, talk about the Brotherhood of Steel?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4XVW6qcuzM

Begins at 1:50

Sure, its Lyons

Only they had access to Vertibirds.

Nope. That says only that FEV and the mutants were local; it does not say that they were the only things local.

*And the only reason you have that example, is that I posted it as a response to you; citing that FEV was local.

Agreed.

The BOS was one of the few things that we know were not strictly local.

Chicago had enclave outposts too

I personally think Beth has done an incredible job with continuing the Fallout series. Moving away from Cali and the West Coast to expand on the East Coast situation was brilliant and added their own touch on the series.

I have played through F1 entirely and a decent amount of F2 and I would rank Fallout 3 at the top of the series or right beside F1.

I'm sure Fallout 4 will only continue to expand upon the Fallout universe for the better. My only complaint is the Airship. The whole idea behind is silly to me. Even more so that it is now randomly appearing in Boston.

OFC it doesn't, because they weren't, and nothing has ever said they were. He said they got the lore right, and then mentioned the one thing he didn't agree with. If he didn't agree with things like ghouls, or the BoS, or The Enclave he would have mentioned them alongside the FEV and super mutant problem, but he didn't.

These are basics of the English language, I don't see why you are so intent on rallying against them.

The MwBoS has Cesar to worry about, their military forces would be logically dealing with that problem, rather then one hundreds of miles away from their territory.

but if fallout 4 happen at the same year of Fallout 3 how the hell Lion got to Boston dealing with the enclave on it.

It's possible that they're dealing with Caesar by running away from Caesar and finding a better foothold. Caesar is wrapped up in a war of attrition with the NCR, and I have a feeling that the MwBoS are aware of that stalemate. So, they'll likely pack up and get out of dodge while the Bull is wrestling the Bear.

That's why I asked for the citation.

I think that you are too broadly attributing what he said to what you want it to mean; and/or assuming more agreement than he perhaps really meant... but that is something he would have to confirm himself. Neither of us can really know.
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I suppose that it's not impossible that the West Coast BOS have sent a platoon of BOS knights to the mid West, and it not be the mid-West BOS from Tactics.

That is not how English works. If I say "a lot of dogs have black hair" and then give an example of a dog that doesn't have black hair I am in no way saying that that is the only dog either in the world or that I know of that doesn't have black hair. At the same time he discusses the Super Mutants he says "I don't think I would've used as many of the same elements." Are you going to insist that the plural is just because Tim Cain has suddenly decided to differentiate FEV and Super Mutants as separate elements?

The time span would set it two months (roughly) after the events of Broken Steel. The Enclave is all wrapped up, but the Lyon's Brotherhood is in the midst of a civil war. While it's implied that the civil war is over by 2281, that's still four years later. The only faction that's still somewhat murky and unclear are the MwBoS chilling up in Chicago.

We could even be dealing with a totally different chapter. Maybe an airship actually made it through the storm during the original exodus and has been shacked up in the fringes of the East coast.