Did you check the dates? Cicero is a little young to have been around when the CoC was.

Sheogorath is inside us all

Again, this was probably Beth's way of giving a shoutout to your Oblivion character in general. Not setting the COC's choices in stone.

I am THE most lenient dude when it comes to canon and I wish it wasn't as vague as it is because i love facts and I love history, but this is getting a little crazy.

I'm just gonna say this much. The official lore of TES means nothing. TES lore and games are just a template for our imagination. We flesh it out. You could read every book in the game and just say "None of that is true, they're all the result of conspiracy and cover ups from the respective government" and go on your way. That's the glory of a very large, very powerful single player RPG. The game is yours. You are the god there; you decide what happens, you decide how it plays out. No one else.
Bethesda just supplies us with the things we need to flesh it out in the most fun way possible. A base.

I think that's probably the most logically sound thing I've ever read on these forums, and I agree 100%.

I wouldn't say it means nothing. It's the parameters by which the universe is built.. you need at least some foundation. By removing all truth from the game you take out all the mystery, fun and purpose

You're correct in that the CoC did not canonically do EVERYTHING. Elder Scrolls protagonists only ever canonically do the main quest, the one that plays out the prophecy. They leave it vague, so that people can either say, "Yeah, my Eternal Champion/Blades Agent/Nerevarine/CoC/Dragonborn did that!" or "Nope, my Nerevarine wasn't in the Morag Tong!" etc. It works better this way, so that both groups are satisfied.

Sheogorath merely implies he was there for those things. And he is believed to reside in everyone of us, so...

Which leads us to further thread derailment,

More reason why we shouldn't believe the mainstream Dwemer theory. All govt. conspiracy hogwash.

But in all seriousness, well said.

Well yeah, that's exactly my point. You can say "the COC may have been the listener".. but you can't say that he was.. because he wasn't, unless he was. Whatever you want, just don't base theories and such around something that may or may not have happened.

True, and further still, he could just be implying that he was around for those events, not that he actually participated in them. Some of those events were very public affairs, it's not unlikely that the whole provenance knew about some if not all of them.

Which is why the question in the title will probably never have an actual answer, or if it does, it'll be one that invalidates any Daedra claimants over the Dovahkiin's soul, like he/she mantling Talos or something else.

Attempt at pulling the thread back on topic:

I think Peryite will get DB's soul.

... lol


In reality, I am of the hope that a future dlc will imply that we will eventually achieve CHIM or otherwise ascend to godhood. (Absorbing obscene amounts of dragon souls and becoming uber powerful, becoming widely loved to the point of worship eg. Talos, etc)

The Elder Scrolls VI... a new hero arises to prevent a great cataclysm that resulted from every god in Mundus trying to claim poor Dovakiin's soul.

My theory, at the time of death, with any number of spare Dragon Souls within him, the Dragonborn will be reclaimed by Akatosh to Aetherius, while the Daedric Princes who made champions of the Dragonborn get the leftover Dragon Souls.

Yeah, becoming an agent of Nocturnal or slave of Hermaeus Mora is an extremely underwhelming fate for somebody like the Dragonborn. I mean, I guess the Nerevarine in the end was Azura's Champion.. but not against his will. If I would guess, we become a god or something or it's later revealed or implied that he was a Shezzarine or mantled Talos eventually.

I don't want to be the one to point this out but, Tiber septum ascended to divinity and I'm pretty sure my character could kick his scaley dragonborn [censored]. I expect my character to ascend as well and become the 10th divine, ?sir Pantheon, God of power. I like the sound of that, they should make a Dlc where the aedra consider ascending you but then they're attacked by the deadra and you must save them, and when you do they bestow upon you a promise, that when your time in the mortal realm is over, you will ascend into the heavens as son of akatosh, but until then you are just a demigod and are given a quest reward power that reflects your god status, perhaps a transformation.

Ha! Wow, yeah, Peryite. What a rascal.

It would be pretty interesting to see in the next ES, the ability to choose to be a follower/champion of a specific daedric lord or aedra.

Fingers crossed

I have thought this as well. If each Prince got one dragon soul each, wouldn't that be enough to satisfy them? No one ever says that they want ALL of your souls. They only claim one.

Edit: Then again, Hermaeous Mora got all of Miraak's souls.

Tiber Septim didn't ascend by himself simply because he was awesome.

...I could almost swear I got a soul from Miraak when he died.
But then again, I think it almost depends greatly on the situation of death.
Like if Hermy gives me the Tokyo Schoolgirl Special like Miraak got...I think Hermy gets dibs.

Is that really how it works? With the absorption of souls, doesn't the soul join yours? If that is the case, you absorbed all of Miraak's.. because all of Miraak's were within his, which you absorbed.

And as it were, Tiber Septim had already been dead for... a couple of centuries before becoming the Nineth Divine.


I had zero souls going into the fight against Miraak and ended up with like five or so.

That would definitely keep in allowing for continuation after the DLC but set up lore for the next ES. Not sure about the Aedra being attacked by daedra is believable, but their could be something there.

It would be kind of cool to see a part of the next DLC with the moot convening and deciding the next High King of Skyrim. I like the idea of the dragonborn becoming the High King, but obviously becoming the Tenth Divine is way more preferrable.

I remember quite well that after Miraak died, I received 9 dragon souls from him.

That tiny text always eludes me when it matters most. Especially when there's a lot of crap on the screen.
I just remember seeing the characteristic "THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE" energy lines.