Which Daedric Prince will claim the Dovahkiin's soul?

Post » Sun Feb 03, 2013 10:13 pm

I'm willing to bet none of them will. There'll be some kind of loophole. Maybe we absorb so many souls that we rose to divinity suddenly, and was never seen again, or we rose to divinity when we died due to all the dragon souls. Something like that. But I highly doubt they'll close off the last dragonborn's life with being stuck in a daedra's realm, since they don't like giving specifics to our heros so everyone's headcanon will be satisfied. Same for HM. Some people choose to defy HM in dialogue, so being his servant in lore would upset some people, especially when it seems you have a choice to stay from that path at the end of the dlc.

Whatever the method, I highly doubt our hero's soul will be taken by a daedra. They seem to be steering us to divinity. Maybe mantling Talos somehow through a Enantiomorphic Event? There's quite a few in the game. Alduin, Paarthurnax, you. Ulfric, Tulius, you. And that ghost mistaking you for Hjalti seems like a BIG hint to me.
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Post » Mon Feb 04, 2013 9:39 am

None. Dovahkiin is either an avatar of Akatosh, Shor, Talos, or all three or becomes a new God in his own right making all these little side bargains with Daedra invalid.
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Post » Sun Feb 03, 2013 10:48 pm


Whatever the method, I highly doubt our hero's soul will be taken by a daedra. They seem to be steering us to divinity. Maybe mantling Talos somehow through a Enantiomorphic Event? There's quite a few in the game. Alduin, Paarthurnax, you. Ulfric, Tulius, you. And that ghost mistaking you for Hjalti seems like a BIG hint to me.

I agree. I even made a new playthrough for the Dragonborn DLC with the default Nord and named him Hjalti Early-Beard.
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Post » Mon Feb 04, 2013 3:23 am

I'm willing to bet none of them will. There'll be some kind of loophole. Maybe we absorb so many souls that we rose to divinity suddenly, and was never seen again, or we rose to divinity when we died due to all the dragon souls. Something like that. But I highly doubt they'll close off the last dragonborn's life with being stuck in a daedra's realm, since they don't like giving specifics to our heros so everyone's headcanon will be satisfied. Same for HM. Some people choose to defy HM in dialogue, so being his servant in lore would upset some people, especially when it seems you have a choice to stay from that path at the end of the dlc.

Whatever the method, I highly doubt our hero's soul will be taken by a daedra. They seem to be steering us to divinity. Maybe mantling Talos somehow through a Enantiomorphic Event? There's quite a few in the game. Alduin, Paarthurnax, you. Ulfric, Tulius, you. And that ghost mistaking you for Hjalti seems like a BIG hint to me.

Yeah, there really are hard to argue against hints that the Dovahkiin is on a path to divinity. I'd really like to see a return to Sovengarde somewhere in the next DLC.
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Post » Mon Feb 04, 2013 6:47 am

As playing an Argonian, I've always thought of their souls sharing a body with the dragon Soul. I suppose this could work for other races though...

But remember, Dovahkiin's soul isn't just a dragon soul. All dragon souls are a part of Akatosh, and the more souls you absorb, the bigger part of Akatosh's soul you solely own. If my theory is right, the Dragon souls go back to Akatosh regardless of any prior commitment. No questions. I believe there's a mortal soul too though, which will be heavily fought for. I doubt they'd strip our character of his own essence and bind him back to nothing other than Akatosh.
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Post » Mon Feb 04, 2013 1:00 am

Ha! Sithis gets his soul and then just utterly destroys it, cause of chaos n'stuff.

Naw.

The Dark Brotherhood members go into the Void to serve Sithis, not to be destroyed by Him.

If Lucien LaChance's soul is still around serving Sithis, I'll bet my Listener would still be safe also.
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Post » Mon Feb 04, 2013 1:10 am

Naw.

The Dark Brotherhood members go into the Void to serve Sithis, not to be destroyed by Him.

If Lucien LaChance's soul is still around serving Sithis, I'll bet my Listener would still be safe also.

Good point regarding Lucien.
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Post » Mon Feb 04, 2013 12:41 pm

The way I see it is that the dovahkiin can't be claimed by the daedric princes (unless he is in their realm and dies) because he defeated Alduin and he states that the daedra fear him also from reading this http://www.imperial-library.info/content/fight-one-eating-birth-dagon it says that Alduin created Dagon, so im sure that he would be able to claim him if he's on nirn.
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Post » Mon Feb 04, 2013 12:12 am

Ah, but there is Nocturnal and servitude to her upon death in the Evergloam!

Lets face it, Hircine and his "Werewolf Gift" has a claim, as does Nocturnal and the Nightingale oath, and Herm. Mora of course has his claim as of this DLC and the earlier Vanilla Skyrim quest. If it was a drop down drag out fight for claiming the soul who would win? I am thinking because off of the Princes will be fighting, my favorite and yours, Sherogorath will snatch the Dragonborn away while no one else is looking.
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Post » Sun Feb 03, 2013 9:55 pm

Good point regarding Lucien.

Dang it...Sithis does top them all doesn't he?
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Post » Mon Feb 04, 2013 8:51 am

Dang it...Sithis does top them all doesn't he?

He did create all of the Daedra and Aedra. Anu helped a bit... :D
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Post » Mon Feb 04, 2013 11:12 am

The way I see it is that the dovahkiin can't be claimed by the daedric princes (unless he is in their realm and dies) because he defeated Alduin and he states that the daedra fear him also from reading this http://www.imperial-library.info/content/fight-one-eating-birth-dagon it says that Alduin created Dagon, so im sure that he would be able to claim him if he's on nirn.

Wow, that was an interesting and eye-opening read. Alduin truly is stronger than the daedra, but it was a little strange seeing the words crap and the f word in tes lore. It's in the imperial library, so I can assume this is legit, right?
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Post » Mon Feb 04, 2013 11:42 am

He did create all of the Daedra and Aedra. Anu helped a bit... :biggrin:

I should have known this answer. Sithis will not be pleased with me.....
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Post » Mon Feb 04, 2013 11:02 am

Wow, that was an interesting and eye-opening read. Alduin truly is stronger than the daedra, but it was a little strange seeing the words crap and the f word in tes lore. It's in the imperial library, so I can assume this is legit, right?

Good question. Definitely want to be sure it's legit... I mean it is pretty weird there would be curse words in TES canon when there hasn't been anything that harsh.
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Post » Mon Feb 04, 2013 11:38 am

I think Dovahkiin is doomed to be in servitude for HM. Whether he/she wants it or not.
But with Azura watching over you, Nocturnal claiming your soul, Hircine calling you to his realm, a seat in next to Molag Bal, Sithis, etc...

Hard to say what the fate of the Dovahkiin will be.

Though the whole rise to Godhood is a cool theory.

Honestly, this would be a great TES game as a whole.
Anywhere from 50 to thousands of years post Skyrim, after the Dovahkiin's death, the Daedra start a war between themselves. Each of them vying for this great soul. Have quests working for each and every Daedric Prince, getting nearly every artifact of Daedric Origin, and most importantly, Goldbrand. Make it happen gamesas. Preferably in Hammerfell.
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Post » Sun Feb 03, 2013 11:49 pm

One thing I do not understand is why posters keep saying that being a champion to a DL == their soul goes to them. Where in the game does it say that (even in Oblivion/Morrowind)? To me that will only happen IF one made a contract (Nocturnal), allowing a power be imbued to one's soul (vampire/werewolf), or a worshiper. Otherwise, you are doing a task for their amusemant and then rewarded with their artifact, nothing more. Also Sithis is the "anti-matter", not a being. I think the DB are just being blind-sighted by Mephala.
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Post » Mon Feb 04, 2013 12:01 pm

This is coming off a discussion we had regarding Miraak's servitude to Hermaeus Mora, as well as the Dovahkiin and his ties to Nocturnal (assuming the Thieves Guild questline was completed). Considering the available choices and known instances of actual forces servitude or willing loyalties to the different Daedric Princes, which daedric prince will truly lay claim to the Dragonborn's soul and to which realm is he destined upon death?


What I wanted to discuss first was the Dovahkiin taking Miraak's mantle as Hermaeus Mora's new servant. Now I know many have called this into question, but lets face it, HM is a daedric prince of "scrying of the tides of Fate, of the past and future as read in the stars and heavens" and therefore knows the choices the DB would make. Plus, he seems to work situations to ensnare unwitting servants (as evidenced in his Daedric Quest and in the DB DLC).

On top of this, my character is currently a Nord Werewolf Nightingale, which already poses a conflict between Hircine and his Hunting Grounds and servitude to Nocturnal and service in the Evergloam. My theory on this though, is that the werewolf gift/curse is not that difficult of a fix before death. However, if the Dovahkiin dies a werewolf nightingale, this raises some interesting questions of where the soul of the Dovahkiin will go. Ha, and Sovengarde, I guess that is a pipe dream?

Regarding Mehrunes Dagon, receiving the Razor required no forced servitude that I remember.

Anyway, please discuss!

None I will be a powerhouse of a vampire lord and neither daedra or aedra will have my soul for a while

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DidYouJustScamCthulhu

Basically what that link describes.
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Post » Mon Feb 04, 2013 7:42 am

One thing I do not understand is why posters keep saying that being a champion to a DL == their soul goes to them. Where in the game does it say that (even in Oblivion/Morrowind)? To me that will only happen IF one made a contract (Nocturnal), allowing a power be imbued to one's soul (vampire/werewolf), or a worshiper. Otherwise, you are doing a task for their amusemant and then rewarded with their artifact, nothing more. Also Sithis is the "anti-matter", not a being. I think the DB are just being blind-sighted by Mephala.

True. It is never stated that becoming a champion of a Daedric Lord is like signing away your soul, however I thought it was implied heavily when working with Azura, who will watch over you in Twighlight. I think the CoC got out of it by becoming Sheogorath and I don't think the Nerevarine ever died.
And while my character in Oblivion could easily kill my character in Skyrim, I feel lorewise my character in Skyrim is destined to become more powerful, or at the very least more legendary, than any other protagonist in the TES franchise. I'd hate to see him tossed aside like every other. I'd hope to see some mention of his soul in a future TES.

Or a mention of trolling once Akatosh claimed his soul.
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Post » Mon Feb 04, 2013 5:58 am

probably none of them
even if you 'serve' a prince by doing a quest, you still have a dragon soul, a little sliver of akatosh's power
id guess he has the final say on what happens to you after death
either him or sithis, since sithis seems more powerful than any of the aedra or daedra
to me at least
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Post » Mon Feb 04, 2013 9:51 am

One thing I do not understand is why posters keep saying that being a champion to a DL == their soul goes to them. Where in the game does it say that (even in Oblivion/Morrowind)? To me that will only happen IF one made a contract (Nocturnal), allowing a power be imbued to one's soul (vampire/werewolf), or a worshiper. Otherwise, you are doing a task for their amusemant and then rewarded with their artifact, nothing more. Also Sithis is the "anti-matter", not a being. I think the DB are just being blind-sighted by Mephala.

Actually, it's stated in the in-game books that Sithis has a distinct personality. He is the Void, but it is also an infinite space, and he has a personality. This is not Mephala.
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Post » Mon Feb 04, 2013 8:22 am

I liked the idea of my Altmer mage playing nice with the Daedra - doing as they ask in their little quests and promising to serve them saying 'my lord' whenever possible and playing them off against each other. When she dies the Daedra can fight over her soul while she sneaks off somewhere else.

RE: The rise to Godhead - I liked that idea. Maybe my mage would be the next Potema and from there... who knows?
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Post » Sun Feb 03, 2013 10:15 pm

I think that the next Elders Scrolls game is about this topic : Elder Scrolls 6 claiming dovahkiin's soul.
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Post » Mon Feb 04, 2013 10:26 am

I think that the daedra can only claim your Soul if it's part of the "contract" you make with them, for example, Nocturnal lends you her power if you accept to serve her after your death, Hircine made a similar contract with the Glenmoril witches (and then the latter lied to the Companions, but the contract was that you were given the wolf form in exchange of your soul after death).

Instead, with Molag Bal, he gave Harkon and his family vampirism in exchange of a degrading ceremony or the sacrifice of thousands of persons (btw, being MB a daedra I don't think he cares much about gender but being Harkon a king he offered MG an alternative for him), but nothing was said about his (and his family) soul.

I'm writing this to make a point and I also think that doing some jobs for Daedric princes does not sell your soul to them.
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Post » Mon Feb 04, 2013 12:31 am

None of them.
F**k this!I'm going to Sovngarde!
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Post » Sun Feb 03, 2013 9:17 pm

If you are a vampire Molag bal is getting you. Going by the dialouge when you cure vamprism molag bal owns you.

If you are a werewolf Hircine is getting you. The whole point of the companions that those who die as a werewolf go to hunting grounds

If you are a nightengale Nocturnal is getting you. Tsun even tells you in the main questline that you are bound to nocturnal if you are a nightengale.

HM may have a claim depends if your dovahkin wishes to serve him thanks to the dragonborn dlc.

Akatosh won't save your soul. Did he save Miraak soul when he died? No HM got him since Miraak pleged himself to HM for power. Did akatosh save the undead dragon in dawnguard when he pledged himself to the ideal masters for more power over necromancy? No he needed dovahkin's help just to have a few minutes of fresh air on tamriel. Going by events from the game so far yes a deadra can Claim dovhakin soul if you avoid becoming a vampire, werewolf or nightengale and reject HM if he ever comes back you dovahkin soul is safe.

Don't go throwing around your soul or become agents(nightengale)/creatures(vampire/werewolf) of deadra if you want to go to the afterlife your character desires.
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