My version of the Dragon Born hasn't served any of the Daedric Princes, so he's going to Sovengarde.

True that!

All LIES! The dread father and the night mother will be sending one of their children to pay you a visit for your filthy words!

I figure they will just rip your soul to pieces and each take a piece, I wonder just how they will do it in the next game since there have been so many of these threads, it would be nice if they made mention of something happening in the next ES.

Well said.

Bear with me here, there is a point buried in all the squiggles.

I think.

One of the characters I play as is an Imperial named Ulysses (named after the latinized version of Odysseus, NOT the dude from FO:NV). Like his namesake, he's a trickster type: he avoids any non-essential conflicts through judicious use of Illusion, the Throw Voice Shout (especially in combination with traps ), stealth, poisons and general cunning. I think I've killed about 10 enemies per level so far (I'm level 40 at the mo') and its been a heck of a lot of fun.

As a trickster I've found a neat personal justification for his eternal servitude to all the Daedric Princes by looking at another very cool trickster from the world of comics: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Constantine.

Nononono, not bleedin' Keanu. Look, here he is:

http://www.scifinow.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Hellblazer-cancelled.jpg

Much cooler than Keanu, right...?

SPOILER ALERT FOR HELLBLAZER:

You see, during Garth Ennis' run, the chain-smoking, smart-mouthed, sweary, mage John Constantine contracts terminal lung cancer. Bugger. This comes after he recently pulled the wool over the eyes of one of the three Lords of Hell (known as The First), who vowed to claim John's soul upon his death and use it as toilet paper for eternity. To clarify: the Lords of Hell are essentially in charge of all evil and therefore are definitely not to be messed with...

...unless you're Constantine.

Needless to say, John doesn't really want to have his eternal soul fall into the hands of a very angry Lord of Hell (or any other appendage/orifice, for that matter), so he sells his soul to the other two Lords of Hell on the sly. When the First Lord comes to claim it, so too do the others.

John's soul (like I imagine the Dragonborn's to be) is so important that the Lords are literally obliged to go to war to keep it. Such a battle would devastate Hell and allow the forces of Heaven to finally come down and destroy all evil. The Lords of Hell, after much vicious debating, decide to cure John's cancer (in the most painful way possible) and keep him alive, thus avoiding any unwinnable conflict.

As he leaves, John turns to the three Lords and... well, take a look... go on, I'll wait:

http://i436.photobucket.com/albums/qq84/DurrHurr/characters/upyours.gif

So, bringing this all back to Skyrim: My boy Ulysses has sold his soul to every Daedric Prince and tricked them, gaining their gifts without having to ultimately pay for them. If Ulysses dies, those Princes are going to have a "Hell" of a time fighting over who gets my trickster Dovahkiin's ever-lasting soul.

TL:DR - Dragonborn sells his soul to all the Daedric Princes, so that none may claim it without having to go to war with the others. Or something.

At least, that's how I justify it.

Ah, good, gravity has a personality then.
*In-game books from the DB perspective that Sithis is a being... weird others not involved with the organization treat Sithis as a force, not a being.


Morag Tong will like a word with you good (err, bad) sir. Writ is already out for them (including my 2 assassin PCs).

On a serious note was anyone else disappointed that the Thieves Guild former member of the Morag Tong did not have more involvement in the Dragonborn DLC? He said they vowed to reunite but looks like he missed the boat. It was also strange how the listener of the brotherhood kept his secret.

Sorry to digress but it was bugging me.

Since the Dragonborn is Talos it's irrelevant.

Why does anyone assume that Hermaeus Mora has any claim on Dovahkiin's soul in the first place? You aren't even really his servant, not anywhere close than Miraak was, you can resist him like Skaal and Neloth say.

The player is the master of Dovahkiin's destiny.

He/she is...? I didn't know that.


Well, where's the fun in that?

Where are you getting the idea that the dragonborn is talos?

No Daedra has claim over his soul

Well if you are a nightengale yes they do tsun in the main quest tells you that you are bound to nocturnal. Same goes if you are a werewolf or vampire Molag bal or hircine is getting you.

The very fact that miraak gets bound to HM via servitude for more power and the undead dragon in dawnguard being bound to soul cairn/Ideal masters and going by tsun dialogue in the main quest if you are a nightengale yes a deadra can claim dovahkin.

just because you joined the Thieves Guild doesn't mean the last dovahkiin did

What I am saying is that a daedra *can* claim dovahkin if they choose to traffic with certain deadra or chooses to become a werewolf or vampire. If your dovahkin avoids them completely then yes no daedra can claim dovahkin, cause you have not dealt with any.

BTW my dovahkin did not join the thieves I am saying that if you go around messing with daedra akatosh won't do jack.

Well... it was hinted in the sheogorath quest that the champion of cirodill did do EVERYTHING.

Just hinted that Sheo is from that game, not that the champion necessarily was the Gray Fox and Listener. He could have just heard of those events.

He is thinking that the dovahkiin is another Shezarrine.

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Shezarrine

They can, I'm just saying the Dragonborns soul within TES universe isn't gonna be the [censored] of a Daedric Peince.

If bethesda makes dovahkin a shezzarrine I will be upset.

He could be a tenth divine like AltairdeFiren said on the first page or he could be tiber septim reincarnated.

We will not know untill the last dlc or TES VI

Pretty sure canon lore suggests that if it's possible for the protagonist to do it, he/she will.

How is it known that vampires are bound to Molag Bal after they die?

Does this apply to cured vampires? Since it doesn't to werewolves, probably not, as entering Soul Cairn would irreversably doom the Dragonborn's soul (doubtful), but I'm curious about the source.