The Hibs were always considered bad in my book! Damn treehuggers must die.. Sorry had to get that out of the way.
I am leaning towards dark elves. They are dark which automatically makes them suspect. So whatever alliance they are in is the answer..

Agreed! I just like arguing against the 'mer master race' propaganda train

I am not talking about the Orsimer at all. I am referring to the fact that the Bretons are SO divided it isn't even funny. Emirec is like the first time ever that there has been a high king of High Rock. they are literally to busy fighting the other reton town on that hill over there to worry about expanding much. Although you bring a good point with the sack of Orsinium, that is not what I was referring too.

Just like I love to argue against the "Altmer are EVIL" propaganda train

I see. I misunderstood, I thought you were talking about Orsinium. The Breton (allied to the Redguard) have a bad habit of burning it to the ground every time the Orsimer start to prosper. It is sad, really. They are treated as pests.

I think everyone is missing the point that the only truly evil faction in the game are the Imperials (and even then only because of their current leaders not because of any inherent racial flaw). This is why all three of the alliances can agree on invading Cyrodil.

Indeed when we come to a subject we both can fight for they better watch out!

The Imperials are not evil, the ruling class is(kind of, think Normans in England, except the Normans here are evil daedra worhshippers by good temple worshiping Imperial standards.)

I have only played a few missions into Morrowind, and not played Oblvion or Skyrimm as yet. So you likely know way more than I. I just got the lore summaries on WIKI which suggests Daedra, are not nice, Azura actually is kinda good, but never actually explain that particular trait of hers. Yet describe the event I just mentioned. So it is sort of, yes she is usually good, but she did this with no explanation of why or what part of her character made her do it. I got the impression must be more to her than the usually nice daedra.

What you say kind of puts into place what I thought may be the case. And clears a mystery to me why she punished an entire race the way she did. So thank you for that.

Again, I figured this was likely it from the off. But, I find myself disliking elements a lot less than I thought I may. Suggests an intent not to make it black and white, even within the realms of your own faction.

it is actually unknown who started the fighting between the atmorans and the falmer but it is known that the atmorans refused diplomatic negotiations, which is why the falmer tried to send them back to where they came from, to stop the fighting. the atmorans simply decided to come back with an army to slaughter everything in their path as they always do, because its all they know how to do.

as for the enslavement, that was ayleids, one type of mer. and IIRC absolutely everyone hated the ayleids because they were generally evil.

Count me in

History is written by the victor I suppose.

I would agree, but every single thing we known about them from every angle including the neutral ones points them to being twisted and merciless.

Mm no, pretty sure the falmer sacked saarthal out of nowhere, which caused ysgramor to gather up 500 companions and proceed to wipe the falmer off the face of Tamriel. They dug their own grave, and got to lie in it.

Also, I would love to join this odd alliance of fighting people who assume Altmer are dikebags, I am tired of trying to talk to someone/ see someone saying "hurr dur altmer are badz" and frequently

well yeah, before daggerfall(technically Morrowind) they were just enemy mobs( although I assume this is because lore was so early in development).

nope. its not known, but speculated that they did it out of fear that the atmorians were going to eventually wipe them out, they were proven right in the end I guess. but its a bit of a Pyrrhic victory. most sources stating the 500 as heroes and saviours is just nord propaganda trying to convince people that what they did was justified and not at all extreme and barbaric. I mean lets look at the facts, the falmer were there first, the nords are the evil invaders come to take their home, the only reason they're praised as heroes and not revilled as villains is that they won.

I mean yeah, they sacked a city, they didn't really need to try and exterminate them. they could have easily just signed a treaty telling them to [censored] off somewhere else but they'd rather go for genocide apparently.

that's exactly what they want you to think!

/tinfoilhat

Why would the nords allow the insult of having their new, grandest city in tamriel get sacked and then just slink away with a treaty?

You are right about not completely knowing what happened, but all texts paint the falmer as aggressors. Besides, given there were refugees that suggests to me that the nords were just vengeful, as opposed to actively desiring to remove the falmer from existence. The dwemer were the only race that has no reason for their evil actions (unless we include the falmer sacking saarthal).

I thought it was hinted that the sacking of Saarthal may have had something to do with the artifact beneath it? It's definitely not as clear cut as genocidal elves vs peaceful settlers. There's too much unknown to make any sweeping statement about either sides' motives.

The Nords aren't "evil invaders." Ysgramor and other Nords left Atmora to escape a big civil war. They were peaceful and only settled in one city, Saarthal, but because their population grew rapidly, the Falmer preemptively massacred them. Ysgramor fled back to Atmora, where the civil war had ended, and assembled an army to exact revenge on the Falmer.

the other one

That's not totally accurate. The Covenant wants to restore the Empire to it's rightfully glory, and purify it of the daedric cult influence and corruption. It is the most loyal faction we have to join right now, and if they get what they want, we will see the honorable, brave, just and glorious Empire, so many love, restored to rule Tamriel again.

Am I the only one here that thinks that genocide is not acceptable, no matter the reason?

some of the falmer journals found in skyrim describe that large nord war parties were roaming the country in search of refugees and slaughtering everyone they found, making no distinction between man, woman, and child; soldier or innocent. they went into detail about how the only way they survived was splitting into small groups and only travelling at night in order to reach the dwemer kingdoms. the only reason they survived at all is because dwemer took them in. of course they were worse off for it.

paint it anyway you like, but nords are bloodthirsty psychopathic racist savages, not heroes.

apparently, everyone else here seems to think its okay because they're human and not elf.

Sorry, I'll say it again, the falmer caused this. Whether you want to claim Nordic propaganda or not, all texts point to peaceful nords - men women children - slaughtered by falmer in saarthal and the nords repaying in kind. Revenge is a [censored].