Which Faction Do You Think Best Keeps The Mojave "As Is& : Fallout: New Vegas

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 5:29 pm

So in my short time of posting I've already seen a few "Which faction is best" or "Which faction should I go with" threads - this is not those threads. Which faction do you think leaves the Mojave the most untouched, or almost as it was when you first start out in Goodsprings? Honestly this may influence the whole "Which faction should I go with" deal anyway, because to me the Mojave is a pretty sorted place when you roll up on the scene and for very few endings do you actually improve the livelihoods of as many people who were okay continuing on to begin with.

For me, it's got to be the NCR; sure they're going to ramp up the taxes on a whole load of settlements, but they remain in charge of Hoover Dam ("as is" at the start of the game) and I don't think they're too interfering to be honest. Depending on how things play out the Great Khans remain how they were, BoS remains (semi-) how they are; most places seem like a win-win.

I guess this is obviously a bit of a spurious argument - people can say "but if you side with NCR Mr. House dies!" - to get things down to the bones what I mean is which faction leaves most minor factions close to how they were originally or not too far from their original aims. Honestly I think going independant messes things up a lot, and so do House and the Legion (House for BoS, and Legion for almost everyone) - but I'd like to hear a case made for all three.

» Sat Jun 23, 2012 7:37 am

Actually I don't see the BoS as a faction 'of the people', they're quite militant and want nothing to do with the outside world. So in that regard, I say House. He'll continue to progress Vegas while leaving Primm, Goodsprings, NoVac, and if it ever rebuilds, Nipton and Nelson, to govern themselves so long as they don't interfere with House's 'Progress Vegas' agenda.

» Sat Jun 23, 2012 3:19 am

Actually I don't see the BoS as a faction 'of the people', they're quite militant and want nothing to do with the outside world. So in that regard, I say House. He'll continue to progress Vegas while leaving Primm, Goodsprings, NoVac, and if it ever rebuilds, Nipton and Nelson, to govern themselves so long as they don't interfere with House's 'Progress Vegas' agenda.

Wait what? You are actually going with House? LOL I saw your avatar in the quick reply sections and I KNEW just what you would say (about the BoS as well...)

Some people around here are just too predictable.

But, strangely enough, I actually have to agree with you! So far I finished a House and an Indy ending, I'm going for the NCR ending right now.

However, when it comes to who changed the least about the current situation, yet brought stability into the area, I do have to say House, because he really doesn't care about what the various factions are doing, as long as they don't interfere with "business as usual" on the strip.

» Sat Jun 23, 2012 6:54 am

I'd say Independent, since it leaves everything the way it is, even Vegas and the BoS (if you spare them).

House would change The Strip and Outer Vegas.

The Legion would change, well, everything.

The NCR would occupy the entire area and impose heavy taxes. They would also drain wealth from The Strip and send it back to California.

» Sat Jun 23, 2012 12:39 am

I'm going for the NCR ending right now.

But It's sooooo boring and disappointing by the time you make it to the end. Just a heads up.

» Sat Jun 23, 2012 2:57 am

Interesting, I guess seeing as House doesn't care much for the rest of the Mojave he would leave it largely untouched.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 6:44 pm

None of the main paths leave it as it is.

With Legion they conquer people.
With NCR they kill or forces people to leave.
With House a whole lot of things are changed.
And independent also changes things as the 3 major powers are removed from the equation, allowing others to take the top.

If you want to leave the game as it is then do Dead Money and go with the Greed ending, that way you die and the Mojave is left the way it was.

» Sat Jun 23, 2012 7:17 am

I think the clear answer is Yes Man. With the NCR ending House is gone, the Khans are gone, and I'm guessing a lot of the Mojave's Old-West feel will be gone, and its settlements will be parts of a larger society, not mostly independent.

But It's sooooo boring and disappointing by the time you make it to the end. Just a heads up.

What do you mean? You need to qualify this, since purely in terms of the amount of things to do, the NCR beats every other faction.

» Sat Jun 23, 2012 5:30 am

What do you mean? You need to qualify this, since purely in terms of the amount of things to do, the NCR beats every other faction.

In the amount of things they do? Yeah, they might beat every other faction (except maybe the Legion), but let's look at a few of the things they do:

If you follow all of Moore's instructions:

They wipe out the Kings.
They kill all of the Great Khans.
They destroy the Brotherhood.
They kill House.
They annex the Mojave and make it a military controlled zone.
They ship Hoover Dam's electricity (and other Mojave resources) back to California.

I think that's what he meant by disappointing, not sure about the boring part though. The NCR questline isn't any less exciting than any of the others imo.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 11:21 pm

Not saying that I can't see the NCR's flaws, but I assumed he was talking about the end of the story itself being a letdown, like it doesn't live up to its early-game promise. That doesn't sound like the NCR plotline or the game in general to me, which starts a little weak and becomes exponentially more fun and great as Hoover Dam approaches.

» Sat Jun 23, 2012 6:32 am

I think that's what he meant by disappointing, not sure about the boring part though. The NCR questline isn't any less exciting than any of the others imo.

Actually, I only tried once to go for an NCR ending, and just found it boring, mostly because it was almost the same as independent, except you have to go through three cells to get to Moore each time, and she gives you each faction related quest separately(of course you can just make them all at once).
Although I think Gingy might talk about the ending. I agree with the rest.

» Sat Jun 23, 2012 3:07 am

i just side with the brotherhood get power armor training, i usually leave them alone though but if it calls for them to blow and no peaceful solution then there gone.

P.S. NCR is the only side that wont destroy the BoS

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 7:18 pm

I'd say House. Although hes only intent on keeping power in New Vegas he also doesn't want anyone else getting too powerful
If the Legion or NCR wins the Mojave will be completely changed, although it will take time for the NCR to fully colonise/incorporate the region
If the Independent course is taken the Mojave will remain unstable and vulnerable to whoever comes along

» Sat Jun 23, 2012 7:46 am

but I assumed he was talking about the end of the story itself being a letdown

That's exactly what I'm talking about.

» Sat Jun 23, 2012 3:11 am

How so? I'm curious.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 8:52 pm

Actually I don't see the BoS as a faction 'of the people', they're quite militant and want nothing to do with the outside world. So in that regard, I say House. He'll continue to progress Vegas while leaving Primm, Goodsprings, NoVac, and if it ever rebuilds, Nipton and Nelson, to govern themselves so long as they don't interfere with House's 'Progress Vegas' agenda.

I don't like House at all. Too despotic and only cares about returning Vegas to its Pre-War status. He doesn't actually care about helping people.

I like the NCR the most. Sure they have to worry about corruption and heavy taxes, but its the most equal society out there and they are progressing quite well. Yes Man has got to be the worst because you don't accomplish anything except keep the three better ruling factions from excersising control over the Mojave and Vegas.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 10:12 pm

Sure they have to worry about corruption and heavy taxes, but its the most equal society out there and they are progressing quite well.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 7:10 pm

There is little to no sixism to speak of, they are expanding at a very steady rate, they have defeated nearly every major faction that could contest them (save for the Legion), and they are the only democratic society left in the West Coast. They try to help the people of Freeside, their is little discrimination against Ghouls, and they are one of the few factions able to mass produce equipment and medicine.

» Sat Jun 23, 2012 2:07 am

There is little to no sixism to speak of, they are expanding at a very steady rate, they have defeated nearly every major faction that could contest them (save for the Legion), and they are the only democratic society left in the West Coast. They try to help the people of Freeside, their is little discrimination against Ghouls, and they are one of the few factions able to mass produce equipment and medicine.

I suppose, one man's trash is another man's treasure.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 10:04 pm

NCR just wants resources, new troops, and more taxes. So they would probably mess up the Mojave heavily.

BoS.. I have no clue, all I know is they want power and people to listen to what they say, and nothing else.

House wants to progress the Mojave (Focus on the Strip) and bring it back to the Pre-War days, and the ideal image.

Legion just wants a bunch of slaves and Soldiers.

Yes Man just wants.. Well, it really depends on what YOU want, technically. So this either has the most potential to change everything, or leave it the same..

So in order I would say Indy>House>NCR/BoS(Didnt really understand what the BoS wanted to do with the Mojave..)>Legion>Indy (Same reason I stated before)

Oh, and as for NCR.. Sure, no discrimination. And yeah, they want to help others-But remember.. Only parts of the NCR. The OTHER parts only want to help out so they have more people to tax, more soliders for their little war, more control.. More subjects.

And also, yeah, they tried to help Freeside, by elimnating The Kings, which were probably Freesides best.. Benefactor? And guardians at the time. Ultimately they were doing a LOT more harm than good. If only they had coexisted alongside the Kings, so much more good would have came to Freeside.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 5:15 pm

There is little to no sixism to speak of, they are expanding at a very steady rate, they have defeated nearly every major faction that could contest them (save for the Legion), and they are the only democratic society left in the West Coast.

Exactly. They may not be perfect in practice, but they seem to be the only major faction that are actually trying to live up to these ideals.

» Sat Jun 23, 2012 7:20 am

Yes Man has got to be the worst because you don't accomplish anything except keep the three better ruling factions from excersising control over the Mojave and Vegas.

Cool. So turning back imperialists is the worst possible thing that could ever happen?

Tell me the Indie ending sounds like the worst ending after reading this:

Spoiler

The Courier takes charge of the Strip and allows the other independent communities to essentially govern themselves. The Securitrons protect the Mojave and drive the raiders out. In my personal interpretation, I think that the Courier does all of this while also allowing the various Mojave "counties" to send representatives to meet every so often to decide on "big" problems like a starving community, an impending attack by the NCR or Legion, or a major natural disaster (for example, if deathclaws overran an area and threatened a trade route, the reps would meet to decide how to deal with it/ask for Securitron support). So in other words, it would be a loose confederacy.

There is safety* (thanks to the Securitrons) and the greatest amount of freedom possible while still having peace (which is maintained through force, aka Securitrons stopping raiders and local law enforcement stopping small scale crimes). People have plenty of opportunities to do what they want with their life without being restrained by a 'visionary' who has taken total control over the region. People can also have a say in the government without corruption running rampant (the Mojave government only convenes when a crisis has to be dealt with). Trade will prosper thanks to A.) The Strip still attracting tourists and travelers, and B.) Securitrons patrolling the roads to ensure the safest travel possible and to break up raider gangs. This will create a strong, stable economy for not only The Strip, but for the small settlements that exist along the roads leading to The Strip. The economy will not be as strong as it would under House, but the Mojave certainly wouldn't be in a state of poverty.

Also, the meetings with representatives allow for a few very positive things:

1.) They allow the Courier to remain in close contact with the individual settlements, which is important because during my Indie playthroughs, I always become popular among the various groups in the Mojave, and I would like to hold on to their trust and maintain it for as long as possible.

2.) It lets the individual towns have a say in the overall scheme of things in the Mojave, i.e., it allows them to feel like they have some control over the place that they call home while also knowing that it is well protected.

3.) It lets new opinions and ideas float around the Courier. If the representatives didn't meet, the Courier would be the sole decision maker on the big issues,** and it is possible for him to make bad decisions, i.e., decisions that end up hurting a specific community due to his ignorance to something about that community, something that he could have learned at a representative meeting.

*The safety I'm referring to is "big picture" safety, i.e., there won't be any raider gangs or other large scale criminal/violent organizations running around the Mojave anymore. Safety in individual settlements is up to those settlements, so local law enforcement has to handle the day to day affairs of things in places like Freeside (the Kings), Westside (militia), Primm (a sheriff), and so on.

**I say that the Courier would make the big decisions because without the meetings, he would be the only one controlling the Securitron army.

Exactly. They may not be perfect in practice, but they seem to be the only major faction that are actually trying to live up to these ideals.

So... because they're not sixist or racist they're the best faction out there? But... House isn't either of those things, and neither is an Independent Vegas. :confused:

And as for the democracy part, who cares? Democracy =/= instantly the best nation possible. The NCR is a democracy and it happens to be incredibly corrupt, heavy on resource consumption, focused on expansionism, and overall incredibly selfish.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 10:56 pm

So... because they're not sixist or racist they're the best faction out there? But... House isn't either of those things, and neither is an Independent Vegas. :confused:

That's because they're more similar than people on the forums let them on to be.

I'm not saying Tranquillius does this, (there are not too many logical NCR fans, and he's one of them) but a number of NCR fans say "democracy! The good ol' american government and army!" and immediately go NCR. Another fraction of the NCR fans are the people who see the ranger on the cover and say "omg that armor is so cool. NCR!"

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 6:44 pm

House ofcourse

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 11:24 pm

So... because they're not sixist or racist they're the best faction out there? But... House isn't either of those things, and neither is an Independent Vegas. :confused:

And as for the democracy part, who cares? Democracy =/= instantly the best nation possible. The NCR is a democracy and it happens to be incredibly corrupt, heavy on resource consumption, focused on expansionism, and overall incredibly selfish.

Stop putting words in my mouth, please. Pretty sure I said none of these things.

I mean, come on. Neither of us are new here, you've seen my posts, we've had a couple of debates. Do I come across as someone who supports the NCR because democracy automatically equals BEST EVAR?

I'm not saying Tranquillius does this, (there are not too many logical NCR fans, and he's one of them)

Which Faction Do You Think Best Keeps The Mojave &#34;As Is&

Which Faction Do You Think Best Keeps The Mojave "As Is&