Like someone said earlier: Cruelty for a purpose is one thing... but when cruelty is the purpose?

I'm sure Uncle Moe would be delighted to see how he Dominated the polls.

I see what you did there.

Ohlord not surprised to see the stupid azura hate is alive in this thread.

Molag Bal is the most vile and disgusting prince ever. His entire sphere is the corruption of the morality races and the spreading of impurity.


Here is the thing though, she did warn people. She warned a lot of people through her priests. The thing is people expected she somehow became omnipotent and warn everything little thing otherwise "nope she is bad person" just to justify the stupid hate they have for Azura. She could step on the bug by accident and people would try to make her into the worst being ever, ignoring all the good she has done.

The Azura hate on these forums is the most pathetic, petty and stupid thing.

That it is, especially when someone else does the same thing as Azura but they praise him for it.

This one admits that he doesn't know what this is in reference to.
Nice!

In an interview with Malcolm McDowell, who voiced Molag Bal in Elder Scrolls Online, he made a passing comment about referring to Bal as "Uncle Moe."

Oh ok, gotcha

Personally, I think Boethiah is the worst of them all. Molag Bal and Mehrunes Dagon might be terribly cruel and thrive of inflicting suffering on a massive scale, but at least with them it's all out in the open. You know what you're getting into with them.

Boethiah is psychopathy incarnate. She is selfishness, betrayal and the lack of empathy. She is putting oneself before all others and crushing anyone, even those you love, who might get in the way of one's own success. She is a Randian hero. Pitiless and self-obsessed.

Molag Bal is totalitarian dictatorships and Mehrunes Dagon is natural disasters, they might be destructive and horrible while they last, but dictatorships almost always get overthrown eventually and hurricanes and monsoons subside. However, Boethiah is the little, everyday evils that permeate society and always persist. She is the [censored] CEO that dodges tax, the cunning serial killer that never gets caught, the abusive parent that traumatises kids. She is the evil that people get away with and maybe don't even notice. That's what I think makes her the most vile.

Mephala is a pretty close second because they are so similar. You need only look at the workings of the Ebony Blade to realise how vile she is.

Just as you do with Boethiah it's quite obvious by just asking his cultists or reading the books about the prince.Boethiah doesn't hide what he represents.

I'm not so sure. From the myth of Trinimac's fall, it seems she has a tendency to justify her cruelty and sadism by claiming righteousness and accusing others of hypocrisy (which she may have been right about, but she probably didn't destroy Trinimac for some noble ideal like defending Lorkhan's designs or liberating the Aldmer).

Socio/psychopaths always find ways to justify their selfishness and indifference to the suffering of others (if they even feel the need to explain themselves). She makes her devotees think there is some nobility in their horrible acts, that they are right to destroy others to empower themselves because only they are worthy.

Mehrunes and Molag don't [censored] themselves or their followers, they just do what they feel compelled to do. (I know it is also Boethiah's compulsion to behave the way she does, but we are talking about what makes our chosen Prince the most "vile" in this thread and I think Boethiah's faux-piety makes her one of the nastiest of the lot.)

Boethiah has always been upfront about considering his followers to be amusing tools, unlike others who promise power or paradise. Why anyone would choose to follow her despite this is beyond me.

Misery Psychopathy loves company.

A Prince with those sorts of (lack of) values is going to attract like-minded followers. Sociopaths have a tendency to be impulsive and reckless, as well as typically having a grandiose sense of self. Most of Boethiah's followers probably think they are too good to fall into the Prince's traps or that they are so impressive that the Prince would never dream of destroying them in favour of another. That or they don't care about the dangers (sociopaths are also risk-takers (can make them very successful in capitalist society)) involved with following Boethiah and just do it anyway.

Molag Bal is rather vile and is probably Vaermina. Pretty much Dagon and all the House of Troubles folks are pretty bad.

Clavicus Vile is up there in some respects, perhaps. Seems like he likes to torment souls. See Redguard.

Thank you, Rob_The_Bob, for finding a better verbiage than I for describing how Boethiah is not a "good" daedra by any stretch.

[quote name="Darkweaver" post="25018110" timestamp="1456805782" all the House of Troubles folks are pretty bad.

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Malacath is not evil!

Agreed. I think that the House of Troubles were defined based on how much trouble they cause the Dunmer people (hence the name), rather than how evil they are. Since the Orsimer have historically been enemies of the Chimer, it stands to reason that they would count Malacath as one of them. As I said in my previous post, Malacath is the least evil of the Princes.

Malacath is not evil! He only keeps the orcs in an unsustainable wolfpack society where only the alpha male gets to procreate, and on the fringes of society so they remain outcasts just like he wants! He's so benevolent with these stipulations that not even Gortwog gro-Nagrom's Orsinium could truly escape the culture!

Not just that. Of course the two thirds of the 'Good' Daedra are going to hate Malacath! He is the Oath Keeper and one of the favourite things of both Mephala and Boethiah is betraying people (lies, treachery, murder, plotting)!! There is a huge clash of interests between the spheres of those two princes and Malacath. They are incompatible. It's only natural that the Orc-King got lumped in with the other Princes of the House of Troubles.


I imagine Malacath takes it as quite a complement that he is one of the 'Corners'. The less he has to do with the 'Good' Daedra, the better, I imagine he feels!

While Clan life is hard, it is optional. Malacath is one of the few Daedric Princes that actually lets followers walk away from him. We've seen what 'good' Daedra like Azura do when they are betrayed and you're just screwed if you try to wash your hands of the likes of Molag Bal or Boethiah!

Malacath is also the poo-pile that Boethiah left behind after heshe ate Trinimac to steal his voice and con the Velothi and then crapped what was left of Trinimac out. So I do imagine that Malacath might not be too happy with that.

As for Malacath letting them "walk away", would he let so many walk away that they try to form a society independent of him? Even then, the society he imposed on Orcs persists in that Gortwog's New Orsinium only knew plundering to sustain themselves, which is part of why they earned the ire of everyone around them... again.

So... No, not really.

He does seem to actually care about the well being of his followers and doesn't seem to be interested in personal power, though, which is more than can be said for most Daedra. He might also not really have a say in his followers being outcasts from society since that's his sphere. Of course, all the Princes are slaves to their spheres, but Malacath is the only one that doesn't revel in his sphere. Molag Bal loves being cruel, Dagon loves to destroy, Boethiah thinks murder's just swell, etc., but Malacath actively hates his station.

Regarding Azura, I was having a bad day and my post wound up sounding angrier than intended, but I still don't trust her. Everything about the Nerevarine Prophecy, the circumstances of the Red Year, and Azura's return to power are very fishy to me. Her sphere is also pretty vague, which makes it difficult to figure out what she wants from you. Kirkbride doesn't seem to like her either, but that doesn't necessarily mean anything.

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