White-Gold Mirroring

Post » Mon May 07, 2012 1:28 pm

So I was reading the Nu-Mantia Intercept and this line caught my eye:
If the Ayleids made their own Wheel within the Wheel, were-web aad semblio, what would happen if they plucked its strings?
Now, I'm sure we've all seen that line before, but I found myself wondering: "What if someone put a scale model of the Imperial City (with or without all those distracting buildings), put it on that http://images.uesp.net/9/95/OB-interior-Imperial_Palace%2C_Elder_Council_Chambers.jpg and threw a fireball at it (or something like that)?"
Would the model mirror the http://images.uesp.net/5/5b/OB-place-Imperial_City.jpg? Would it be more powerful if it did?

Also, a somewhat related question, what was White-Gold's stone before Perrif kicked out the Ayleids and struck a deal with a certain deity? 'cause as I recall the Amulet (Does anyone ever call it "Royal Dragon Stone"?) was created on the spot.


And now I'll just apologise for my rather distracting way of thinking/writing. (These constant intermissions don't help, do they?)
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 10:07 am

Nah, the central gem of the AoK was always the stone of White-Gold. The line about Aka giving it to her out of his heartstrings is a poetic rendering of Perrif's god-tinkering - in taking White-Gold for her own, she was able to hijack Auriel and turn him into Aka.

Anyways, the "Wheel within the Wheel" is the IC itself, being the wheel ([censored] is round) within the wheel (the various towers of Tamriel). I very much doubt building a scale model within the city would have anything effect on the mythic. Symbols have weight, sure, but they have to be convincing. When you have ever looked at a model train set-[censored]-christmas-village and been fooled into thinking it was real?
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 7:20 pm

Symbols have weight, sure, but they have to be convincing. When you have ever looked at a model train set-[censored]-christmas-village and been fooled into thinking it was real?

The principles of sympathetic magic are often presented as having effects through objects that don't necessarily fully resemble their counterpart. Not that I'm sure sympathetic magic exists as such in Tamriel, though mantling looks an awful lot like a form of it.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 10:36 am

I suppose I never looked back at it; the AoK was always an Ayleid artifact, it's just that Alessia's forces instigated a hostile takeover. Fun stuff, but lost in all that propaganda-plothole-business.

Also,


Symbols have weight, sure, but they have to be convincing. When you have ever looked at a model train set-[censored]-christmas-village and been fooled into thinking it was real?

The principles of sympathetic magic are often presented as having effects through objects that don't necessarily fully resemble their counterpart. Not that I'm sure sympathetic magic exists as such in Tamriel, though mantling looks an awful lot like a form of it.


For added flavor: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ffj8SHrbk0.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 12:50 pm

Anyone can make a tower, but you need energy from Aetherius to make a Tower and a Stone. Building a model of the Imperial City wouldn't do anything.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 8:21 pm

Anyone can make a tower, but you need energy from Aetherius to make a Tower and a Stone. Building a model of the Imperial City wouldn't do anything.
In any case, there should be more to the process than just building a model. It's not like the Dark Brotherhood can carry out assassinations by sticking pins in dolls.

Incidentally, I'm reminded of https://www.xkcd.com/878/.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 10:32 am

I herd you liked wheels
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So I put a wheel in your wheel so you can creatia while you creatia
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 7:21 pm

Anyways, the "Wheel within the Wheel" is the IC itself, being the wheel ([censored] is round) within the wheel (the various towers of Tamriel). I very much doubt building a scale model within the city would have anything effect on the mythic. Symbols have weight, sure, but they have to be convincing. When you have ever looked at a model train set-[censored]-christmas-village and been fooled into thinking it was real?

Symbols of symbols of symbols.

"each slice the same except for scale"

Smells like Baurdrilards Simuracula and Simulation.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 6:49 pm

In a way, it's already been done (but differently).
A model of the (model of the?) wheel / the council / representatives of the different lands / cultures (/ gods?), convened to battle / to discuss the fate of the empire / the continent, at that exact place.
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Post » Tue May 08, 2012 12:27 am

Nah, the central gem of the AoK was always the stone of White-Gold. The line about Aka giving it to her out of his heartstrings is a poetic rendering of Perrif's god-tinkering - in taking White-Gold for her own, she was able to hijack Auriel and turn him into Aka.
I suppose I never looked back at it; the AoK was always an Ayleid artifact, it's just that Alessia's forces instigated a hostile takeover. Fun stuff, but lost in all that propaganda-plothole-business.
I guess that works. Makes sense... sounds so awfully mundane though :P
When you have ever looked at a model train set-[censored]-christmas-village and been fooled into thinking it was real?
Ah, but I doubt a lot of people (as in half or maybe a quarter of Nirn's population) even know the White-Gold Tower resembles the universe. Would be a bit hard to compare I imagine.
Anyone can make a tower, but you need energy from Aetherius to make a Tower and a Stone. Building a model of the Imperial City wouldn't do anything.
What if you were to put a Sigil Stone on top?
In any case, there should be more to the process than just building a model. It's not like the Dark Brotherhood can carry out assassinations by sticking pins in dolls.
That all depends I imagine. If enough people believe they can do that, they probably could.
Incidentally, I'm reminded of https://www.xkcd.com/878/.
Hehe, good thing they only have to create a model of the outside.
I herd you liked wheels
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Basically, yes.
In a way, it's already been done (but differently).
A model of the (model of the?) wheel / the council / representatives of the different lands / cultures (/ gods?), convened to battle / to discuss the fate of the empire / the continent, at that exact place.
Hmm, now there's something to consider.
The Council's power is not exactly mythic, though. Couldn't have a civil war if it were (unless maybe one of the Councillors is in league with the rebellion).
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Post » Tue May 08, 2012 1:28 am

That's stretching it a bit if you ask me. Unless you built a Tower in the traditional sense, any model wouldn't have mythic power, regardless of how you mimicked history.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 7:23 pm

Hmm, now there's something to consider.
The Council's power is not exactly mythic, though. Couldn't have a civil war if it were (unless maybe one of the Councillors is in league with the rebellion).
Maybe not mythic, but at least real. Septim's empire was good for most people. To be fair, I don't think we know enough of the council's composition to draw any conclusions. I would assume that proportional representation isn't really a thing in Tamriel.
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