Good point, but you'd certainly disapprove of my proposed solution: tie it to Stamina, just like encumbrance. In all honesty having it level by running and jumping makes sense, but then again so would having to train for years to be a master swordsman, or dying from a single stab wound because you can't stop the bleeding. That was the inherent problem with the skills: they were tedious to level, not to mention unintuitive since you had to basically jump everywhere if you wanted to increase your Acrobatics at all.

In all honesty, I think that balance and poison/disease resistance should have been governed by health (doubt it exists at all outside of racial resistance now), magicka resistance by... magicka, and of course running speed and jumping height by stamina. It ties into their new system just fine and eliminates the bad parts of the old system by compromising a bit and keeping it, but simplifying it as well.

EDIT: Also the first thing I'm doing when I get my grubby little mitts on the Construction Kit is diving right into the race definitions and changing their base speeds, if there's architecture in place for such a thing.

oh. the second part of that post wasn't directed towards you, it was just a general statement i guess i should have mentioned that.
i completely agree with you on the fact that i didn't like that it was an unavoidable skill to train and im excited to try something new. i personally do not think that it is a poor decision. and i support it overall.
i am in the same boat where i will give change a chance before passing judgement.

I honestly believe that they will give us a way to increase speed and jump height. Some people may not like the way they do it but that is the way of all things.

i would imagine through perks. or maybe trainers.

Thats what I've been saying.

Potions and enchants.

I'll admit that I'm sure there will be some speed modifiers through perks, but I sincerely doubt that they'll do anything more than bypass movement penalties when wearing heavy armor.

Thing about perks is, where would they go? There's no "general" perks in Skyrim, just ones directly associated with specific skills. I'm sure there's perks to run faster while wearing a type of armor or while sneaking, but there's really no place where it'd make sense to just put "run faster in general" perks.

well. there are general perks in fallout. that have no skill requirements and arent attached to any skills. so maybe there would be a general perks selection as well. idk.

An individual said that running faster than a horse is not natural in ES games. His statement has to do with the fittingness of superhuman feats. A response to his statement said that magic exists, so running faster than a horse should be believable too. I attempted to explain that believability isn't the issue, fittingness is. Your argument addresses the fittingness of superhuman feats, not its believability, so it is a suitable response to the unfitting-speed contention.

I'm a lore dunce. I try to stay low when people are throwing lore about.

They've stated that there aren't any general perks. It's all in the skill perk trees.

If we can't have Athletics or Acrobatics(should have been 1 thing) then we should scrap Blunt and Blade.

Its hard to believe a bunch of fish/amphibian reptilians actually come from Trees, but its still fitting.

oh. must have missed that.

Exactly.

Actually they said we do pick somthing in regards to the three attribute derivatives left. If they are perks, or have some other name is unknown. You could easily put speed and jump "perks, or whatever you want to call them" in the stamina derivative.

I'd like for acrobatics and athletics to be in Skyrim, but I guess it's too late now. :shakehead:

did they say that the speed is "locked" or that all races just start at the same speed? i cant quite discern from what the interview says.

I wouldn't mind if they are in but I don't want it to be auto.. hated after 100+hours no matter what play style you are you could run faster then a horse

It's funny you'd mention that because they have one-handed and two-handed skills instead.

Unrealistic in a game with magic and Dragons?

I miss my Fortify Jump 100 spell from Morrowind but otherwise those two skills seemed like they were just taking up space.

Me too. I like jumping, jumping is fun. :twirl:

Wasn't as crazy about them as skills, but the idea of having no way to jump magically high would be sad. I guess a "jump" spell/effect would be good enough for me, but that does kinda remove the ability to feel like your character is actually good at the ability rather than just using a potion or spell. That being said, I have no reason to believe you won't be able to jump high, don't want to contribute to the paranoia

Nobody can really. They had two months to get their answers right and its still pretty ambiguous.

i was thinking the same thing.