In the book, The Anticipation, it says the anticipations are weaker of power compared to the tribunal.

Is this a question?

First: I don't believe in power levels. I believe in situation, circumstance and myth.

Second: The Tribunal walk the earth, and would be more active and helpful than the flighty Daedra. An argument might be made that in the sense the Tribunal was willing to do more, is more capable of administering to their worshippers, and by this token, more powerful.

Third: The Tribunal have fought Daedra before and won. Most notably, Mehrunes Dagon versus Sotha Sil and Almalexia. But to put things into perspective, a unit of battlemages supposedly did the same thing a long time ago at Kvatch.

This has me wondering, can daedra have CHIM?

Nope. They may know of it, but they are as much part of "the system" as, let's say, their Aedric brethren.

Yes, it is a question, and I am speaking of power level wise. Unless having followers increase their power level.

"Third: The Tribunal have fought Daedra before and won. Most notably, Mehrunes Dagon versus Sotha Sil and Almalexia. But to put things into perspective, a unit of battlemages supposedly did the same thing a long time ago at Kvatch."

Aren't Daedra lords weaker in their avatar form? I assume the tribunal are at their most powerful, not having avatars fighting for them unlike the Daedra lords when they send their avatar self to Nirn.

By the way, is Nirn the tribunal's plane? What happens to the tribunal when they die? And whats chim anyways?

I think that The Tribunal at the peak of their power are more powerful, but without the heart..i don't think so.

I ARE ALL WE.
Anyone, that is to say, everyone.

But wasn't CHIM bestowed on part BY the Daedra Molag Bal?

Yes, Bal supposedly taught Vivec the secret syllable of CHIM but that doesn't mean he has it or can get it.

Care to explain that one a bit more? I mean, what about the old ways? You don't believe that 'spirit-scaling' exists in the world of Tamriel as it were? What about the Daedra refusing to help create Nirn etc.

Scale it down a bit.

Who's stronger? Jack or Jill?
Who's stronger? Me or You?
Who's stronger? Al Gore or G.W. Bush?
Who's stronger? God or the Rock?

See the problem? The qeustion implicitly assumes there is some sort of a fight or contest but the rules aren't defined. You might ask the qeustion in a DnD setting where everything has stat sheet and a book of rules on interaction, but this isn't DnD, this is reallity (sortoff).

Aside from that, debates about "Who is better" are known to lead to stupid arguments by fans of either side. Look up http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirates_versus_Ninjas.

I see the problem, always has. But just because there is a problem with something, doesn't mean one should avoid it's mention entire. Used to be we didn't know how to do math, that was a problem. Luckily mathmaticians solved that.

I'm not saying who's stronger, Daedra or Aedra? I'm asking do you believe in fluxuations of power, like from ghost to god?

I was just a little confused about Albides' statement is all.

And here's an insider tip proweler: ninjas would totally kick pirate ass.

That's a falsehood and you know it. Everyone knows that pirates are http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackbeard#Death :grad:

THANK YOU. I wasn't around to answer and I liked how you put it.


Performance is a product of function. I don't know how the gods would function in a fight, so I choose not to speculate. Status is, by itself, no indicator of power. I could easily say that a ghost is less powerful than a god, but it's a fairly vague sort of comparison for which I can't provide any qualifiers. "Because Julianos has a mean right hook" just doesn't cut it.

Many heroes and gods exist as myth, and these myths are narratives in which these beings occasionally fight each other. This is what I mean by situation and circumstance. Power levels don't determine fights. Stories do. The Aldudaggas are a series of fights between Alduin and Dagon in which Dagon fearfully tries to avoid the Dragon's wrath but often fails, and is vanquished.

So yes, I don't believe the question should be asked. and this is because it's one to which we can't provide an answer, at least without a silly stat sheet. I also think it's better not to speculate because when you start speculating on who would win in a fight, and the fighters in question aren't fighters but personalities, personas or archetypes, then you're missing the point and taking these beings out of their usual context.

Who will win in a fight is quite obviously not as rigid as math.

Actually for this case, I'd like to ask for the sake of a shorter list: Who hasn't kicked Dagon's ass?

Besides, he was summoned that time by a couple of menopausing witches. Mankar didn't need a whole assassination scheme if it's that easy, he just needed to get liquored up and belligerent.

"Haaaaaaaaay Dag-ON! I betcha can't smashar tha city there!"
"What? I totally can!"
"Do it do it do it do it."
"A THOUSAND CURSES! I can't find my purse."
"You pansy-ass Vitruvian!"

Mankar doesnt have the ingredients for a DagonBerry Pie in his paradise.

And I stand by my answer.

"Who is the strongest? Who is the most powerful? Who has the biggest manhood (or largest cup size if female)? Who would win in a fight, Jiub or M'aiq?" -- to all these questions, there is only one answer: Anyone, that is to say, everyone. Because I ARE ALL WE. Jiub IS M'Aiq IS Julianos IS Dagon IS the whole extinct Dwemer race IS a mudcrab. And cats are bats are rats are hats are gnats are thats are thises.

There's really no point in discussing scales of power. Which fragmented personality is the strongest? It's as fruitless as the rivalry of Manics and Aureals against Demented and Mazkens in the Shivering Isles.

The one who is the most powerful is whoever is designated by the plot to be the most powerful. Usually, that means YOU, because you're the player. Sure, when you start a new game you might be killed by a rat, but you can just reload the save and try again. And you'll gain loot and levels and everything will end up being very easy after a while. It's a story. All is dictated by the Almighty Plot.

:toughninja:


I get all that. Like I said, I was just confused as to the semantics in your response. But I do now, thanks

I guess when it comes to a piece of literature, everything is subject to force majeur.

Answer to the Topic Question:
http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=The+Anticipations&word2=The+Tribunal

BUT!

http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=Mehrunes+Dagon&word2=Almalexia+and+Sotha+Sil :shocking:

Is also the answer to life, the universe, and everything.



Yea, but that's Vehkish meta-logic. It's true for a certain degree of truth. Usually it's a little easier to keep the fourth wall standing.

There's no fourth wall when you acknowledge mythopoeia as the driving force in the world.

You forget the Inverse Ninja Law; the more ninjas there are, the more weenie each one is. This law is even followed in Naruto. Sadly, we'll never see Naruto fight Luffy.

Vivec can hold his own against any daedra prince. He once gave Dagon a sword instead of beating an unarmed opponent. He blew Azura up. And he has CHIM.

AND he's a famale/male.

Yeah but programmers>Jygallag>Vehk>Drizzt>red dragons>pirates>ninjas>guys trying to kill dragons with spoons.

In other news, both the Anticipations and the Tribunal are equally good, even though the Tribunal don't really exist anymore. Its more of a theological cult now.

A crock of [censored].

I believe that the Anticipations, if it was on even ground, could win against their own little mini-them. Mephala could out-trick Vivec, etc. Plus, that's all the Anticipations do. They wait and watch until the thieves who fancied themselves gods are weak then they send the nerevarine in blind to do their dirty work. Particularly Azura.