I've see multiple bugs so far. Not way too many, but enough that it's getting a little annoying. I've seen a Powder Ganger stuck in the ground (only his head poking out), in Primm, the safe in the Bison Steve won't unlock when using the computer to disable the locks (it even confirms that it's unlocking, and proceeds to do nothign), and in the NCRCF, I bribe the guard to let me in, and he shoots at me anyway (his corpse doesn't even have the 100 Caps that I gave him either).

Making them up? I doubt this.

However, it is Very easy to see how some folks get caught-up in the storm of complaints on game-day, like bandwagonism by any other name. The truth is something different, as for everyone complaining about bugs and not-working games, how many copies have been sold where gamers have no issues? We never hear from those gamers, so we really have no idea how wide-spread the bugs are. What we see here in the forums is tons of [censored]ing and complaining, with a few positive threads mixed in by those bold-enough to brave the waves of anger.

Also remember that these reviewers (the professional ones) have had the game for Weeks now, where we just go it. So they have been playing allot longer than we have and know more about the games (and the bugs we will run into) than we do having just started. We're at a disadvantage in that respect, and I don't think game reviewers would stay in business long if they got into the habbit of making things up.

Its allot of emotion right now, people who love the game almost as much as me and get stuck on a big bug are Going to get angry about it, and many of them will find their way here. Take it all with a grain of salt.

I agree that some things may be exaggerated. But speaking from personal experience, the crashing bug on PS3 is pretty tedious to deal with. I don't think differences in the Blu-Ray media would cause this type of thing... I think it's probably due to buggy code and not enough testing on the various platforms (PS3 fat vs. Slim, etc). When the game crashes for me, I can reload and complete whatever action I was attempting, with no problems, so I doubt that parts of the game are missing.

These bugs look like the byproduct of a rushed development cycle (ie: they should have had more testers and maybe delayed the game until they were sure it worked great on all potential platforms).

If the game is too buggy and you're desperate to play it, buy the console version until the patches are released for the PC version. That is if you don't mind forking out twice for the game.

Calm thy self good sir or madame! Where are these monstrous bugs? I took care of the ones in Grey Ditch am sure i can handle these very real ones aswell. We just need proof of these..ufo sightings!

I play on 360, I cleared the cache and haven't had a problem with bugs. Honestly, Fallout 3 was buggier and had no points detracted due to them. I think that's a BS double standard.

All I've gotten is one radscorpion stuck in the ground, and that happened a lot in F3 as well.
I think a lot of the problems are with 360 users who didn't clear their cache and PC users who have bad hardware.

Go to the Lucky 38 Casino with companions after you're able to bring them inside. Take elevator to Presidential Suite and then go back down to the Casino floor and leave. After that quick travel somewhere and notice that your companions aren't with you and you still have their perks. Even NPC's will make comments like they are there. There's even bugs where NPC's will walk on air above you. Most of us have found legit bugs in the game if we didn't email support or make post about it how would they even get fixed? There's even a bug with the dynamite that if you switch a weapon while holding dynamite you'll end up holding the gun like you would dynamite and it shows the throwing animation. Ever saw NPC's getting stuck on scenery ? not really a bug but a path finding issue but still needs to be patched.

another obvious problem is PC gamers always think their pc is perfect so it has to be the game. Go to any video game forum and you'll see tons of people whining about a horribly broken game from a developer ripping them off.....and then the solution turns out to be "update your drivers" or "turn off all the crapware running in the background" or "buy a new pc that wasn't made in 1987" and the problem is fixed.

There may be some people having problems with the pc digital download version after it was steam-afied, but maybe make your dollars speak and don't buy games that require steam. Whenever I see a game for both systems and one comes from steam I get the console version and don't have problems. As for the majority of the complaints they're overblown internet crying plain and simple.

Same thing happened to me when I went to the NCRCF, but it was after I did the quest in Goldspring's so maybe the powder gangers are pissed that you killed one of their guys. I started a new game last night and walked straight to the NCRCF and I was able to go inside without getting shot.

The PC version is definately buggy. I constantly quicksave (and the game autosaves) and these saves ONLY exist while you're currently playing. When the game crashes or you quit the game, and you load back in, they DO NOT EXIST. When you push "continue" you go back to where you were 20 hours ago. You have to manually go into the menu and push "Save" for the game to create an ACTUAL new save and upload it to Steam. I'm 100% positive its a Steam issue.

Secondly, the "monster is 50% in the ground, and stuck" bug happens often. I am playing with the Wild Wasteland perk, someone suggested this could be one of the causes, and I'd lend my support to that idea.

Thirdly, sometimes when I shoot a creature/character they 'freeze'. It looks like its related to the body shot physics that knock the enemies around when you shoot them, but when they "freeze" they simply stand upright doing nothing for 5+ seconds. I've seen some recover from it, others never do. They are completely stuck and do nothing, while you shoot them repeatedly in the head and kill them. This happened to me on a "boss" of sorts, totally ruining the dramatic feel of the battle. I found a creepy special badguy with a special weapon, and he simply stood there while I shot him in the face from 10 feet away until he died... it took like 20 seconds. He was obviously "stuck".

You would be whining as well if your frame rate dropped from 40 or 60 down to 8-15. I'm a system admin (technically inclined) and I can tell you the PC ver of the game on release day was flawed to the point where individuals couldn't play the game at all, this was not due to a hardware issue, this was and still is a software issue originating from the developer end. Trust me it's very frustrating when you pay cash and expect at least to be able to play on your weekend off work. I think most PC gamers understand out of box bugs will be there however when the game is unplayable something needs to be said. Your comment about PC players whining due to being less than technically inclined is an ignorant comment my friend.

Read though some of the thousands posts over in PC forum for technical issues and come back and perhaps you will have a more balanced opinion of PC gamers and the troubles with this game out of the box.

I have had a little trouble with aytosaves. When I click continue it automatically does an autosave and a couple of times it was a way early save but I always hard save. It has been a little choppy but nothing that bad yet. I haven't left nipton yet though and that's supposed to be where the problems are.

Wait, so first you say we're making it up, THEN you say 'oh well it's your fault anyway'? You realize how much you contradict yourself, right?

Not all of us have 360's, hombre. And not all of us like playing FPS games on consoles, either. If a company releases a game for three platforms, it damn well better have a playable experience on all three. It's Obsidian's fault. Not ours. Now that's not to say I don't trust them to patch the game to the point where all of us are having as much fun as you 360 owners, but until then we NEED to complain. Otherwise, how will they know what's wrong with the game?

As for as your theory about people making it up goes, why would anybody do that? If they're having a satisfactory experience with the game, they'll be off having fun with it. Nobody comes back to a forum to complain unless there's a good reason.

I play on PC and I've only had one bug so far, which was a radscorpion air-walking (skipping terrain) up a cliff to attack me. That's not a big deal. What is a big deal is the game crashes every 15 minutes of play, and sometimes after crashing my savegames will regress. This only started happening after I cleared the powder-gangers out of Primm, for some reason, making the game basically unplayable. I cannot play the game until it's patched. That's not a great feeling after having pre-ordered the game, like I'm sure you did. And I'm sure if the 360 version was as buggy, you'd be on here with us wailing about it.

May have a spoiler in here

I have seen too many bugs in this game to count, but the biggest I have seen so far are two quests that seem broken that I have dealt with. One of the quests was with the Brother Hood(can't advance after turning in a very long quest, I get no power armor ), and another seems to be one I just stumbled across which is saving the president(doesn't end). Also the game hits spots where it gets very slow, I mean very slow like 8-15 fps when I am looking at a wall... Also did I mention the game looks like [censored]!?

:edit, I thought I should mention I am playing the pc version. core 2 3.2Ghz cpu and a ati 5850.

Can we get off the graphics stuff? Is anyone surprised it looks just like FO3, really? It's SUPPOSED TO.

Also yeah, I'm totally making up bugs about not being able to get any of my characters other than my first past level one.

If the steam distribution is messed up, then yes, that is the fault of the developer for not making sure that their work is being distributed properly.

That said, I have only about 4 hours into the PC version, installed from DVD and have had zero crashes or issue yet. No music stuttering. No lag. My PC specs are mediocre. Dual Core AMD Athlon, 4 GB ram, XP. The only thing optimized is my game is install on an SSD. Video is AGP ATI Radeon HD 3850. Video settings are set fairly high.

I think its perfectly logical to make a point about the graphics when they look so terrible and yet the game runs so terrible.

As far as graphics are concerened, I used to have major issues with games, until I started playing them in full HD, problem solved. Do you have full HD?

I bought the box version for the PC, which I had to activate through steam but installed from the CD. I've had very few bugs so far.

PS, I usually buy xbox for the same reason (50 inch). However, I have a fairly new tv, that finally has 1080p. I hooked up my PC to the tv and OMFG it is so crisp and clear so now I'm playing on my big screen half the time (using x360 controller because my keyboard range isn't enough to reach the couch) and then on my monitor the other half with the keyboard/mouse

do I need to call you guys the waahmbulance?

If you're having problems with the game here are your solutions.

1) fix your system.
2) don't buy games off steam
3) stop exaggerating

any one of these will fix your problem....notice how those are all your own fault.

I bet that's sixy. I thought about doing this with mine as well but my pc is in my office and the tv is in the living room, I could use a reverse kvm switch but it's a long run and i'm lazy.

I don't think people are making bugs up, but some people are way too focused on their own anger and a few people have started to make ridiculous claims.

One guy wanted "24 hour live support".

A few people were complaining that there wasn't a patch like 7 hours after the game had been released.

People expect too much for $60, hard earned or not. It's just a game.

+1 How is it being a PC gamer, ALL of my other games work fine, including Oblivion and FO3? Yet NV is a stuttering unplayable turd? It must be that I am a clueless idiot that should just game on a console using 4-5 year old technology? Never mind the fact that I have my own computer repair shop, with thousands of (happy) clients...

I don't want to troll or offtopic or anything, but the back of the box clearly states: requires internet connection and free steam account to activate. Just my 2 Cents, and i don't have a problem with steam btw.

Its just mathematics:
Lets assume that a negligible amount like 1% of players experience bugs and half of them are so much annoyed that they post on the forum. If 100k copies have sold, thats 500 topics of bugs on a forum which is quite noticable, meanwhile the 99k people are happily playing, oblivious to the commorion on the forums.