Anyone else think that people are exaggerating, or even flat out making up all these stories of bugs and glitches just to have something to whine about? Not a single person I've actually talked to in real life has had any problems whatsoever with the game. The only people i've seen claim it was a buggy piece of trash are forum warriors.

My xbox was on for 20 hours straight playing the game and I encountered one single glitch the whole time which was to be expected when leaving the console on that long and is not an issue with the game.

The other thing I noticed is almost every one of the whiners bought the game of steam....well what do you expect when you buy a game from a distributor that hacks up the code and rearranges the file structure to make a piece of software proprietary to their client. This isn't the fault of the developer, it's your fault for not buying from a distributor that gives you the game in the state it was originally programmed.

I've ran across a ghoul or 2 stuck in the sand (1/2 submerged) but I'll take that over flying deathclaws any day lol, the video options need tweaking on the developer's side, as too many npcs on screen drags fps way down, but other than the whole steam erasing saves (for pc) I haven't ran into any.



For pc, you don't have a choice. sure you could buy a console version, but I'd rather play on a pc anyways.

As I responded in the other thread, Since Steam is the offical DRM used in this game, AND is therefore used to autheticate all legitamate PC legal copes AND this includes retail PC CD copies (And this therefore means they have the steam code in them), I'm wondering exactly *where* you've gotten your Steam-free PC game from?

And it is the fault of the developer and publisher if this is true - the decision to use Steam was by them, Steam didn't say "You must publish your game through us or else" - Bethesda/Zenimax had the option to either use it or not.

I understand, I actually am usually a pc gamer but I have an xbox as well because sometimes I just want to be lazy and lounge on a couch playing on a 50 inch screen which I can't do on the pc. Can't the game be purchased in a box for pc instead of off steam, if not this would be a shame. i know very few places carry pc games in boxes anymore but if steam is the only choice i'm glad I got it for my xbox instead of pc. steam is a pile of malware.

It could be because they picked the Wild Wasteland trait.

My friend and I play on the 360 as well. The only two bugs I have sen are very minor. One is that windows inside buildings won't always have the light shine through them like they are supposed to in the day time, sometimes. I know this is a bug because I have restarted a few carachters and sometimes the light shines through the docs house and some times it does not. The other has to do with your arms in first person. Sometimes they just bug out and do stupid stuff at random.

Short of this, I have yet to see a bug. I too think a lot of the bugs are coming from QQ PC users, and likely steam clients.

Its in a box, but you have to authenticate it through steam.

And I think your comments are completely unwarranted. Steam is IMHO the best online gaming marketplace.

Considering that steam is only used to download and authenticate the game, I can't see any logic in saying that its steam causing issues like the "Exorcism" effect.

Bugs are not a consistent thing - thats why they're still there. Some people will experience them, some will not, or will not notice them.

I bought the PS3 version of the game, and I have noticed two bugs.

The first is that a Gecko appeared inside a rock and was un-killable.

The second is that the game freezes my console after a few hours of gameplay (usually after 4 hours, but sometimes after just 1). I have to reset the console and reload from a saved game when it happens. It has happened to me 4 times over 2 days of gameplay, and my PS3 has never required a hard reboot in any other game, even after playing for 8 - 10 hours straight.

So, no, people aren't just making this up, and I think it's mighty cynical of you to think that way. I think even the most frustrated people here only want to enjoy the game they paid for, without major annoyances. I don't think anybody waited for New Vegas to come out and then said "Great! Now I can troll Bethesda's forums with bogus bug reports just to make them look bad." People just want their money's worth, and they are experiencing rather annoying glitches (having to reboot all the time is not fun).

The fact that the forums are filled with angry posts about bugs clearly indicates (to me, anyway) there are bugs in the various versions of the game. Maybe the Xbox360 version is a bit better. Who knows?

Yeah, I bought mine retail, maybe I misread what you were trying to say, but the retail version is still required to use steam, people who bought it off steam may have more problems, idk...

It is just luck of the draw when it comes to bugs. I've noticed a lot of the PC players whining about bugs are shall we say less than technically inclined.

You have to remember when you see all the youtube videos and rant threads that for every bugged player there are thousands of people who are enjoying the game with little or no problems.

Steam is not the only choice for buying the game, you can buy it anywhere just like any other game. But even if you buy a disc version at your local Wal-Mart store, you still need to activate it through Steam. It's the game's version of DRM, instead of using something like SecureROM like Fallout 3 did.

Interesting point as in OXM magazine there is no mention of bugs in their review.

I've played mine since launch on my PS3 and haven't had a freeze yet. Not saying others aren't, but those of us not having the crashes have a reason to be sceptical of those that say they are. Only problem I've had so far is I modded my weatherd 9mm and now I have a big ! point looks like they forgot to skin it, but that is an easy fix.

because steam does more than that. a version of a game digitally downloaded from steam and a copy of the same game off a cd in a box look very different. the whole file structure is messed with by steam and the compression techniques they use skew code as well. Open the location of any game you D/L off steam and then look at the installation of the exact same game off a cd, you'll notice the steam copy has a bunch of extra files, is missing some files...places files in different folders and arranges the whole thing differently. steam is only the best because it's pretty much the only one out there, which is the problem. Steam promises developers marketing dollars and help stopping pirating if they make games steam dependent....and then the game get's borked the the crap steam does to try and stop pirating.

notice a trend where console gamers aren't having any issues.....

So because steam get a custom build, this makes the game automatically corrupt?

I think this is a case of "a little knowledge being dangerous" - you know some technical stuff but not enough to understand why what you're pointing out is presicely not a problem. Kinda like the folk that are pushing all that 2012 nonsense.

As for a trend of console players not having issues, I have two responses to that

1) This thread alone shows that they are

2) PCs are a consistently moving target. Just on current release there are a few dozen different CPUs, hundreds of Graphics cards, Hundreds of Motherboards, hundreds of RAM chipsets, 3 major versions of windows and umpteen different configurations of these (Different number of patches, different editions, different OEM setup, different character sets), etc, plus all the old stuff and the stuff thats going to be released in the future. It is physically impossible to fully test a game on every single PC configuration.

Compare this to consoles - there are less than a handfull of different Xbox 360 configurations, and less than a handful PS3 issues.

PC players should expect bugs because *most* computer configrations will only see the game for the first time when the game is sold to the computers owner. Whereas consoles can be tested to bits.

Oh, I agree with you that some people probably have a very smooth gaming experience.

Obviously, they don't come into the support forums and make 'Everything is working great!!' posts, so we can't tell who has a bug-free experience. What we can tell, though, is that some people seem to be seeing huge bugs, and others have confirmed this.

I just think that the initial poster's idea that people are trolling the forums to attack Bethesda is frankly cynical, and a little bit stupid. If I'm playing a bug-free game, I'm certainly not going to take time out of my gaming experience to troll the publisher's forums and complain... it's pretty ridiculous.

I picked that and didnt see anything unusual. Then again am crazy so...

I do think some of the bug reports are over-exaggerated and it might be disguised venting over other things. I've only seen minor bugs in my game which i saw when FALLOUT 3 first came out. FALLOUT NEW VEGAS though is way more stable and i have yet to suffer a single crash or drop in framerates yet in this highly enjoyable immersive rpg.

Trolls do that though on every forum on the internet. I think it's a mix of both. Like a few people have a crash now and then, which can happen to any game, and the trolls pick it up and suddenly it's crashing every 5 min. and the game is totally broken. I feel for those having problem, but don't understand why my PS3 runs it fine? Could something have happend in the production of the Blu ray's which has caused some parts of the game to be missing, or some other culprit all together?

The Fable 3 devs and employees might be tryin ninja kill this game.Ah Mr. Molenuex you crazy bastard.

Over-exaggerated bug reports? Are u [censored]in' kidding? I spent the first day dealing with the micro-stuter [censored]. I get the game to be somewhat playable to find out that I can't save the game. These are major bugs that many PC users are dealing with. No dude, ppl aren't making up the bugs and they are hardly exaggerating.

Go to youtube and do a search.

No one is making up bugs.

It is the fault of the developer. They have released a product without proper QA.

Steam or not, they knew about the problems and released it, probably due to pressure from the publisher.

How can you miss so many bugs?

Otherwise get rid of your QA.

I also have thought the same thing. Smooth sailing so far... (knocks on wood)

There's radscorpions all over. And giant ants. No making that up. But the cazadores are the worst.

Pretty much. It's a known and long-acknowledged truth that gamesas PC games will be unstable. It's part of the nature of the beast - in return, you get an amazingly moddable game. So I expect and can deal with a reasonable number of crashes. Those won't even get a comment from me. The problems with saves & preferences being overwritten because of the Steam "sync" feature, however, is a glaring issue. It's not just hypocondriacs making stuff up.

(And I'd know.... I responded to the first few "my quick & autosaves disappeared!" threads with my usual "yeah, that's why I make a bunch of manual saves." ... and the next time I launched FO:NV, my manual saves had been trashed, too. Steam's been in offline mode ever since.)

Gotta Shoot em in the wings! LOL!