Well let me rephrase that then.

Has Snowy then never found that one person that could see past his 100 attack and would lovingly and with great affection follow him as he became the Hero of his own story. I know Vivec did just that.

If we are asking whether Snowy has CHIM, then the issue is not just how others see snowy, but, more importantly, how Snowy sees others.

Wait....Snowy doesn't have CHIM?

I thought he was sitting on that bridge to see if his newest creation using his awesome powers was worthy?

Nah. I'm just saying that Chim isn't limited to any one particular character, or to the Elderscrolls for that matter.

Would it not be fair to assume that Vivec, having achieved CHIM, could use any means he so wanted to defeat Dagoth Ur? Just because one is all-powerful does not mean that one must destroy his enemies in an epic fashion. He could have simply blown Dagoth Ur off the face of Tamriel. He could have simply made Dagoth Ur no longer exist. Instead, he uses the Nerevarine. Who is to say Vivec was not the grand puppeteer?

Why would you want have your source of godhood removed???

Also, nothing really supports that. CHIM isn't some super kamehameha save-all type of thing (not in the stereotypical sense). CHIM is a sort of contentment. And Azura "used" the Nerevarine more than anything. All he was was a cat's paw to enact vengeance upon the Tribunal.

After all this time, although I still haven't got the bloody clue what exactly CHIM is, I know this at least: CHIM, it's serious business. Not at all silly.

CHIM is very serious business. And so is Muatra.

Roughly 50% of the world's population can master Muatra - for it is indeed serious business, but it is a very attainable state of being.

Get ye to http://www.imperial-library.info/obscure_text/vehk_teaching.shtml.

Traditional CHIM conversation:

http://l.yimg.com/ao/i/life/img/bhg/1206-dolls-400x339.jpg


edit: dear god 946000, that is way too much text, I can't read all that!

Zero sum then BIOTCH!!! Hehe.

Patience, sir. Patience. You could just read the relevant parts then that talk about CHIM and the Tower.

Keep in mind though, as you read it, if you choose to, that Vehk's Teachings, along with many other "obscure texts", are "Unofficial lore documents gathered from forums." Much emphasis on the the "Unofficial" part.

Or to save time, all you need to know is that CHIM is plot device. Prior to the making of Oblivion (the game), it didn't exist I think. Then, when they made Oblivion (the game) and made Cyrodiil a temporate climate instead of the "jungle" that previous games claimed it was, they needed a way for that to "make sense" in terms of "lore", so they invented something that makes as much sense as you choose to let it make and called it CHIM, and used it to explain why Cyrodiil's jungles are now temporate forest.

At least, that's my understanding. I could be wrong, but at least I have a straight answer that doesn't sound snobbish or refer you to walls of unofficial text.

CHIM is mentioned in the Sermons in TES III.

^ True, but back then, that "CHIM" was only the "secret syllable of royalty". I interpret that to reference the CHIM in CHIMer and nothing more.

That seems too much like you're convoluting lore to justify your own viewpoints.

Your statements regarding Oblivion are valid, though.

So basically, since Bethesda couldn't make the game the way they had previously described it (probably due to deadlines to meet), they had to make another superfluous concept of lore to explain why. Is that right? This sounds similar to the http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Levitation_Act in the sense that since Bethesda couldn't make the game function with levitation (cells wouldn't load if you hovered over them), they had to come up with an excuse as to why levitation wasn't included in the game. Or am I just being over-dramatic?

CHIM was in Morrowind, make no mistake. It seems people claiming it's just a plot device are misconstruing lore to fit their own views on CHIM as just some 'silly mechanic'.

It's a serious part of the lore, especially when one considers that the universe itself is just in the imagination of a single god-head and every entity within the universe are split personalities of that god-head. Only when one realizes this illusion, while also realizing that they are still part of the world, even despite its illusion, can one achieve CHIM. I'm am an illusion, but I am also part of the creator of that illusion. In understanding this, one can realize how to manipulate the illusion by believing what they want. Tiber grew tired of the jungle, so he believed the jungle was a forest; and thus it was.

@tes96: In a way, it is, but at the same time, CHIM was mentioned before TES IV was made. TES IV devs screwed off the jungle in Cyrodiil, so MK created lore to justify it.

CHIM isn't like a Dragon Break, which was introduced in TES III (from what I've seen) pratically as a retcon device. MK just used CHIM in a clever fashion to help cover a inconsistency that was out of his control.

edit: I'm gettin' my butt ninja'd off left and right today...

Okay, where is your source for this "just the imagination" thing? I've heard this else where and I think that is the biggest disappointing load of bs that for these past 18 years this game series has been around, that it's just some dream. I mean, that's like watching your favorite tv show for years and you grow attached to it and then come to find out in the end that the whole thing was just a dream someone was having. I'd be royally freakin pissed.

Does it directly say that everything that has happened since Merethic era up until now is just somebody's dream? Or is that just a hypothesis?

The God-Head is the dreamer. Imagine if there was God. He created everything...in a coma. He doesn't know he's in a coma, nor does he have a unified mind. Every entity within the universe is just a split personality of this god.

Okay... but from where are you getting this information? You're not just making it up off the top of your head; you had to have read it from somewhere.

Extrapolations from pieces of lore like http://www.imperial-library.info/obscure_text/5th_era_loveletter.shtml. And real world comparisons.

Most of it is from the Obscure Texts, and small parts are from the Sermons. I'm not exactly the best person to ask, as I read the information as it is posted on the forums. I am but a traveler through these parts, while folks such as Luagar and Prowler are permanent residents. They probably know much better than I where the information comes from exactly.

And, sure, one might say since a lot of it is from the Obscure Texts then it's not true or official, but when the information doesn't contradict anything in the series, is fun, and also interesting and makes sense within the context of other writings, then why not accept it as true, at least until we get official information that replaces it? This unofficial (and yet, sort of official) information is important to piecing together much of the deeper metaphysical mysteries of The Elder Scrolls. Without it, we'd already anolysed all that we could about Knights of the Nine or Shivering Isles or mudcrabs.