Other: How about an army of werewolves?

Other: Germany

Well, anything is possible off course. But given the teaser trailer (which is the only info we have, except the definitive confirmation that there will be dragons), it would make no sense at all if it were all about a werewolve incursion?

There will probably be werewolves in Skyrim, but an army as the main protagonist? Probably not.

Sorry for my ignorance, but who are the greybeards?

:mage:

I think (not entirely sure) that they are very wise Nords who sit atop the highest mountain in Tamriel (called the Throat of the World) where it is believed the goddess Kyne (Kynareth of the Eight Divines) first breathed wind onto the world and here men were born. They are listening for portents of the future from the gods I do believe, as the top of the Throat is the closest they can get to the gods.

I think.

Okay, so I just read that there was some crazy guy in Morrowind saying that the Daedra from Oblivion would invade, and then in the next game they did. And then supposedly some crazy bosmer (not that I can remember that) in Oblivion said that the Akaviri would invade, so that likely means this will happen in Skyrim. Anyone remembers who those characters where and could post links with their dialogue or something like that? If this is even true.

Is it http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Thurindil over in Anvil that you're thinking of?

They're not akavirian dragons, those are EXTINCT! They'd be tamrielic dragons, they dissapeared a few eras ago and it seems have decided they want to come back..and are pissed

And the "akavirian invasion" would consist of either Tsaeci or those demons that get frozen all the time,

Just no. Tosh Raka.



The Tsaesci have very little to do with dragons anymore. The Ka Po' Tun however do, their ruler being the tiger-dragon emperor Tosh Raka, supposedly the first Ka Po' Tun to morph into a dragon.

Mysterious Akavir:
Ka Po' Tun is the "Tiger-Dragon's Empire". The cat-folk here are ruled by the divine Tosh Raka, the Tiger-Dragon. They are now a very great empire, stronger than Tsaesci (though not at sea). After the Serpent-Folk ate all the Men, they tried to eat all the Dragons. They managed to enslave the Red Dragons, but the black ones had fled to (then) Po Tun. A great war was raged, which left both the cats and the snakes weak, and the Dragons all dead. Since that time the cat-folk have tried to become the Dragons. Tosh Raka is the first to succeed. He is the largest Dragon in the world, orange and black, and he has very many new ideas.

"First," Tosh Raka says, "is that we kill all the vampire snakes." Then the Tiger-Dragon Emperor wants to invade Tamriel.

So if there's Akaviri involved, and that's still a big if, then it has to be the Ka Po' Tun. It would also make a very interesting plot because Tosh Raka, can be considered to be either an aspect of Akatosh, a mirror of Akatosh, or perhaps even Akatosh himself.

Not sure who is invading, but it sure ain't me. You guys shut the door and stole all my stones! :ahhh::obliviongate:

Then again, you *did* allow Martin to break his amulet. So it's a good guess why those dragons woke up

The oldest and most powerful of the Tongues, and they were the ones who told Tiber Septim of his destiny, without Tiber blowing into ash (a huge feat mind you). They have to be gagged, else everyone close to them will die. Wulfhart, the aspect of Shor and Underking of Tiber Septim, in eras past tried to hear the prophecy from the Greybeards, but was blasted into ash.


Chaos saw these events, and made it happen!

What motive would Tosh Raka have to want to invade Tamriel?


I'm pretty new to any lore diving at all, so can some buffs give me a place to start?

Why can't we vote for other provinces, maybe they could invade skyrim?

Could be. If it is, then that's a very vague clue though, but I guess that makes sense, Bethesda wouldn't want to make it too obvious. He does mention dragons, and that is suspicious. Doesn't really give us a clear clue to whether it is the Akaviri or not though.

Akavir has always wanted to invade Tamriel. In fact, they've done so before. Tamriel is basically the nexus from which the world's destiny is made, so it's only natural.

http://www.imperial-library.info/ is a good place to learn about lore.

Well, apart from there being previous Akaviri attempts:

Tosh Raka -> R aka Tosh -> Akatosh. Tosh Raka can be a mirror of Akatosh, an aspect of Akatosh, or even Akatosh himself, who knows.

The Nords of Skyrim refer to Akatosh as Alduin. Alduin is often referred to by the Nords as world-eater. Which is based in Nordic myth where Alduin destroyed the old world to create the current one, therefore the Nords see him as both creator and apocalyptic harbinger.

And Akatosh is off course also linked to the Empire. He was involved in forging the covenant with the Empire of man, his blood being tied to Alessia and the Empire with the amulet of kings being the primary token of that bond. Also, his patronage has the influence of maintaining the barrier between Mundus/Nirn and the planes of Oblivion. But now, it seems, that covenant has been broken. So Akatosh might be looking to renew the covenant, or to undo it all together.

I'm not saying that he is involved (either Tosh Raka, Akatosh or Alduin), but it would make sense, and it would give some interesting plot lines. It's all just healthy speculation.


As for lore diving, and a place to start:
A nice point to start for references is the http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Main_Page(<-click), but they often make assumptions in the lore that aren't exactly undisputed. Another great resource is the http://www.imperial-library.info/(<-click).

TES lore is wide and expansive mind you. Don't expect to get quick and easy answers. Expect to be more confused then ever.

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It could be that the dragons represent the empire of Cyrodil actually, with the Empire's draconic heraldry and it's patronage by Akatosh. And the Empire actually employed dragons to fight it's battles at some point. Dragons which have since vanished. So yeah, the empire is a possibility. But then again, it's all speculation. Only Bethesda knows for sure.

Thanks for the pointers.


Do you mean that all of Akavir has been trying to invade Tamriel and not just the snake-like folk? I read that the different groups of beastmen in Akavir warred with each other. If beastmen from Akavir did try to invade then why are there human spirits in Pale Pass?

I would think that it is probably Akavir.

I am getting tired of invasions.

That can mean any number of things, but I think the most popular hypothesis is this: The Tsaesci "ate" the humans of Akavir and "became" them, which a few people like to believe means they assimilated them into their culture, enslaved them, conscripted them into their armies.

Who would you vote for, if I had put that option in?

My personal theory is that the devs said to themselves "Gee, I'd like to do a quest in Oblivion dealing with the Akaviri, but I can't go and make snakeman models for just one quest... ah, screw it, I'll just use humans. Who'll know?"

The dragonfires signified the covenant between the Cyrodiilic Empire and Akatosh, and as far as I understand they did not really get re-lit Martin turned into the avatar of Akatosh and then became a statue and one could say that is a pretty clear sign that Akatosh honors the covenant, but what if he really doesn′t ? What if the fires need to be re-lit and what if the end of the chant in the teaser does not say "Dovahkiin, our king, who will dawn in fire!" but "Dovahkiin, our king, who will don the fire!".

What if we need to somehow get the new Dragonborn to go and ascend to the throne and re-light the Dragonfires ? What if that is the only thing that can keep Alduin from destroying the world! What if the only thing that was holding him back was the covenant that was kept alive with the burning Dragonfires ?

Tell me, am I a mad man or do I have some sort of a point ?

Doubtful, else ol' Akatosh/Alduin would have eaten the world pre-Reman. Hell, the lighting of the dragonfires was all of Reman's doing. Then again, Red Mountain served as a huge stabilizing element, which is why the world didn't explode in ages past when the fires were not lit in the chaos of anarchy. But with Red Mountain/Tower deactivated (save for being an active volcano), the world isn't so stable anymore.