Who is Invading Skyrim

Post » Sun Dec 20, 2009 7:48 am

There are two mainlines of debate on who is the invasion growing out of the teaser trailer.

1) is Akavir
2) is Alduin

I won't summarize the arguments here. There are 10 threads worth of Skyrim Trailer Breakdown - the latest linked to below - which go into an excruciating detail on the arguments.
http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1150358-skyrim-trailer-breakdown/

What I am hoping for is a cool stat that we can compare to when the GI issue comes out in just 20 days:
What we Though vs. What we Got.

Please feel free to explain your selection in excruciating detail.
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Mr. Ray
 
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Post » Sun Dec 20, 2009 4:27 am

Ahhhhh!!!! I can't do it anymore!

I keep coming back to these forums but It's killing me to not have official info! I'm dying inside :shocking: Speculation is just making it worse!
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Post » Sun Dec 20, 2009 10:44 am

Chuck Norris is invading Skryim.
That was a joke. I honestly can't even speculate at this point.
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Post » Sat Dec 19, 2009 11:04 pm

I have officialy jumped onto Iconoklast's theory that just popped up in the thread, it makes amazing sense. The greybeards are the dragons, sounds crazy at first, but look at his evidence.
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Post » Sun Dec 20, 2009 8:30 am

Ahhhhh!!!! I can't do it anymore!

I keep coming back to these forums but It's killing me to not have official info! I'm dying inside :shocking: Speculation is just making it worse!


Same here :( ... along with 90% of members for sure....
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Lexy Dick
 
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Post » Sun Dec 20, 2009 8:40 am

Akavir! *Note spelling*
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XPidgex Jefferson
 
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Post » Sun Dec 20, 2009 9:28 am

Who says anyone or anything are invading?
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Post » Sun Dec 20, 2009 10:30 am

well, the trailer says things like "they've returned", so since there was an akaviri invasion in 2E or something, I assumed it would be them
they wouldn't really call fighting Alduin a 'war'
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Post » Sun Dec 20, 2009 10:49 am

Akavir! *Note spelling*


Please forgive me, thanks for the heads up.
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Post » Sun Dec 20, 2009 6:11 am

I will bet on an akavir invasion. Fresh new enemies and a whole story driven by an imminent invasion. I doubt the whole plot would ever revolve around fighting a dragon or two...
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Post » Sun Dec 20, 2009 8:24 am

Invasions are overdone. I'm hoping the released dragons are the result of some badass cosmic disturbance caused by Wulfhart and the Underking. They're long overdue for some new involvement in the history of Tamriel, if you ask me.
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Post » Sun Dec 20, 2009 2:22 am

Invasions are overdone. I'm hoping the released dragons are the result of some badass cosmic disturbance caused by Wulfhart and the Underking. They're long overdue for some new involvement in the history of Tamriel, if you ask me.
I agree. And in general for me, civil wars are always more interesting than invasions.
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Post » Sat Dec 19, 2009 10:01 pm

well, the trailer says things like "they've returned", so since there was an akaviri invasion in 2E or something, I assumed it would be them
they wouldn't really call fighting Alduin a 'war'


The thing is, nobody disputes the existence of the Akaviri.

I hope think something less of an invasion and more of a wacky time-continuum distortion happens that requires Divine Intervention
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Post » Sat Dec 19, 2009 8:53 pm

nah, i hope akavir has a REASON to invade, and some confusing skyrim politics .


i hate black vs white storylines. grey is where the cool people hang out



oblivion tried, but that was still black and white. the demon may have thought the land was rightfully his, but then he is the prince of destruction *facepalm*
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Post » Sun Dec 20, 2009 8:53 am

I have officialy jumped onto Iconoklast's theory that just popped up in the thread, it makes amazing sense. The greybeards are the dragons, sounds crazy at first, but look at his evidence.


That is an interesting theory. I have been rather curious about the figure standing at the center of the mural. At first, he appears to be a mage. But he also seems to be summoning a very large dragon.
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Post » Sun Dec 20, 2009 2:13 am

An Akavir invasion just doesn't make sense.

No one wanted to believe they even existed? And the Akavir fear the Dragonborn? Then there's the tweet: "there will be dragons"

Unless the teaser and twitter are outright lies and misinformation, it doesn't add up.

I think people are taking what was a straightforward teaser meant for the masses and trying to twist it into some cryptic message to the hardcoe fans.
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Post » Sun Dec 20, 2009 3:26 am

Invasions are overdone. I'm hoping the released dragons are the result of some badass cosmic disturbance caused by Wulfhart and the Underking. They're long overdue for some new involvement in the history of Tamriel, if you ask me.


I concur. I've been wanting to see some Underking action ever since first playing Morrowind.
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Post » Sat Dec 19, 2009 9:30 pm

Technically, I have to vote "Dragons are unaligned"—but my hope is that Alduin is the threat. While not trying to [censored] [censored] up because he has an agenda (i.e. not aligned), he has a job to do (i.e. destroy and remake the world). I will reproduce my excruciating details below:

Ooh I like this kind of metaphysically stuff tho. I don't really know anything about the trinity you mention, but a quick look http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Daggerfall:The_Underking makes it sound like Wulfhart is the Underking :shrug: But I like this idea, of the 'oversoul' of Lorkhan. What you say at the end really intrigues me:

"Maybe the Mythic Dawn was right about one thing. Lorkhan is a Deadra lord and Tamriel his is realm, the Aedra simply "stole" it. The "oversoul" is simply the "undead" Lorkhan too weak to exist in the flesh, but still trying to take control over his realm. "

This got me thinking about something I read while preparing http://dl.dropbox.com/u/11220983/Fragmentation%20of%20the%20Void%20state.pdf (the beginning of TES universe). From http://www.imperial-library.info/content/morrowind-sithis:



As the legend goes from there, Lorkhan conceives of the mortal plane and convinces the Aedra to give of themselves to this world. What the Aedra are crafting into the mortal realm, though, is Lorkhan himself. That is why the Aedra could not destroy his heart: "This Heart is the heart of the world, for one was made to satisfy the other" (see the http://www.imperial-library.info/content/morrowind-monomyth-altmeri-heart-world). This is where it becomes unclear. Tradition dictates that perhaps Lorkhan ('Shor') is poised to incarnate another avatar that will rise up against the present order, and the Dragonborn is the avatar of Akatosh incarnated as a counter. Here is the twist, tho: Shor's supposed previous incarnations (one of whom was the ancient king of Skyrim: Ysmir/Wulfharth) were all sided with Man. Mer on the other hand (excepting Dunmer) fought against humankind in the name of their perceived divinity, Auriel (Akatosh) (see http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Before_the_Ages_of_Man). In Nordic mythology, though, Akatosh (Alduin) is not simply benevolent, but neutrally the creator and destroyer of the world. This suggests that the real threat looming is in fact the misappropriated Alduin, with the Dovahkiin perhaps being the next avatar of Lorkhan. "Dragonborn" may not mean "born from the dragon [suggesting Akatosh]", but may actually be a reaction to the appearance of the World Eater, more "born for the dragon," or "by necessity of the dragon."

This, in my opinion, is unlikely—but awesome. I have visions of a grim Skyrim storyline, where it slowly dawns on the player over the course of the game that this battle cannot be won. The world is going to end, and Alduin is going to bring about the next one. It is the player's destiny to face the Dragon, but it is also their destiny to lose. The aspects of Lorkhan that have been embodied (essentially, all of Nirn) will be stripped of their forms and reshaped into something new: The Elder Scrolls VI. :ahhh:

[edit] http://dl.dropbox.com/u/11220983/Fragmentation%20of%20the%20Void%20state.pdf, according to the above 'Alduinian' anolysis.

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Post » Sun Dec 20, 2009 10:55 am

It would be awesome if it was Alduin, as he is Akatosh. Would make those who think Akatosh = good look really dumb. Then again, the altmer seeing Akatosh destroy Mundus would view that as a good thing.

Also, I like your idea, Fvash. But to remember, Akatosh is the king, and Lorkhan is the rebel. We have seen this relation when Alessia rose up as the rebel, and with Tiber's rise to power and ascension. Eventually, both became the king.
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Post » Sun Dec 20, 2009 10:33 am

I'm expecting something totally unexpected.

Everyone at Beth is probably lollin' at how far off we all are.
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Post » Sun Dec 20, 2009 10:28 am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sEI1AUFJKw [censored].
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Post » Sun Dec 20, 2009 8:02 am

Chuck Norris is invading Skryim.


Ohh Nooooessss they doomed!!!!!

I say its the high elves.....
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Post » Sat Dec 19, 2009 9:54 pm

I'm betting Alduin / Akatosh has something to do with it. He's widely linked to the dragon as a symbol, and often portrayed as having a physical form like a dragon. Another clue in this direction is the missing diamond (amulet of kings) in the Skyrim banner-art, which off course represents the blood link between Akatosh and the Empire. Whether or not that makes Akatosh the protagenist or whether or not he will play another role I'm not at all sure of.

Also: there could be an Akaviri involvement at the same time as well, since Tosh Raka is either Akatosh himself, an aspect of Akatosh, or a mirror of Akatosh. And then of course there is still always the possibility of more or less independent dragons, which are said to not exist, but which have surely existed in the past.

At any rate: I'm really just going to sit and wait untill Beth release some more info on the main story line. There's just too much speculation that can be made from the very little info that we have now, it's simply mind boggling. And off course, there's always the possibility people are giving this waaaay too much thought.
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Post » Sat Dec 19, 2009 10:16 pm

I said Alduin because:
"...but no one, wanted to believe, believe they even exist."
Last time I checked, the Nords in Skyrim didn't worship the nine divines.
So they refusing to believe he existed would make sense.
If they refused to believe it was Akavir, it wouldn't make any sense. Their last invasion was well documented.
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Post » Sun Dec 20, 2009 2:23 am

I said Alduin because:
"...but no one, wanted to believe, believe they even exist."
Last time I checked, the Nords in Skyrim didn't worship the nine divines.
So they refusing to believe he existed would make sense.
If they refused to believe it was Akavir, it wouldn't make any sense. Their last invasion was well documented.

although the nords don't worship alduin (akatosh), they still hate his guts
they believe he is the world eater, and his return will signify that he is going to devour the universe to make way for a new one or something
not worshiping doesn't mean they don't believe he exists
it's sort of like christians not worshiping satan
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