Who is Lorkhan? : The Elder Scrolls Series Discussion

» Wed Apr 27, 2011 10:41 pm

"Kindred fugue" indeed sums it up well.

p.s. how much Joyce and Ovid were you drunk on when you wrote that?

» Wed Apr 27, 2011 11:48 pm

Very. That's how I get my best ideas, anyway.

» Thu Apr 28, 2011 1:07 am

I guess the earliest clue was Lorkhan's sobriquet, the "Doom Drum". http://www.imperial-library.info/content/lament-pelinal

The drum sets the tempo?

» Wed Apr 27, 2011 10:00 pm

The drum sets the tempo?

Tempo for what exactly?

For when Alduin will come and eat the world?

» Thu Apr 28, 2011 10:43 am

Tempo for what exactly?

For when Alduin will come and eat the world?

The tempo. You know, the beat, the rhythm, a way of keeping time. A constant recurrence in the background by which relative change can be measured.

» Thu Apr 28, 2011 1:10 am

The tempo. You know, the beat, the rhythm, a way of keeping time. A constant recurrence in the background by which relative change can be measured.

Alright

» Thu Apr 28, 2011 6:31 am

I wonder what style of drum playing Shor prefers. Is he more of a jazz fan, rock, or something else?

» Thu Apr 28, 2011 5:21 am

I think it's not the tempo of the Doom Drum that's significant. Speaking of a Doom Drum might be more similar to Gabriel's trumpet sounding the end of the world: an unimaginably loud sound. (Which reminds me just now of the Nords' Thu'um, though I don't know if there's any connection.) It's good to see MK reply to the thread.

» Thu Apr 28, 2011 1:09 am

Tempos give time to sound, which must naturally occupy some space. Without it you have pure ambience, which is admittedly beautiful. With it and it only, you have the beat of drums, to which soldiers march to do violence. But only when you combine the two, space and time, can you give voice to the hymn of a revolution. A beautiful violence [Event] interrupting a time and space, which can be interpersonal, social, political, or ontological.

L'Internationale becomes, say, L'Intermundus

» Thu Apr 28, 2011 5:56 am

Tempos give time to sound, which must naturally occupy some space. Without it you have pure ambience, which is admittedly beautiful. With it and it only, you have the beat of drums, to which soldiers march to do violence. But only when you combine the two, space and time, can you give voice to the hymn of a revolution. A beautiful violence [Event] interrupting a time and space, which can be interpersonal, social, political, or ontological.

L'Internationale becomes, say, L'Intermundus

You all give such wonderful, poetic expression to things that are just vague inarticulate hazes in my mind.
Kudos.

» Thu Apr 28, 2011 6:49 am

Brilliant post. It untwisted my tongue and all, thank heavens.

I guess the earliest clue was Lorkhan's sobriquet, the "Doom Drum". http://www.imperial-library.info/content/lament-pelinal

Perhaps we do not differ at all....This is my layman understanding of what I just heard:

Lorkhan and Akatosh are NOT the same entity.

However Lorkhan can do Akatosh's job and Akatosh can do Lorkhan's job without any one noticing a difference.

Identical twins with different portfolios.

If this is accurate, then we are not far apart, I previously thought Lorkhan had no relationship with Akatosh but you have plugged a hole in my understanding.

As long as we are not saying that ONE deity is simultaneously Lorkhan and Akatosh,....

» Thu Apr 28, 2011 3:46 pm

No no... Obviously it's not true, it's like saying two sides of the coins are the same - which is wrong.
Akatosh is one side and Lorkhan's the other

Akatosh is the head and Lorkhan's the tail

» Thu Apr 28, 2011 3:03 am

When you hand a coin to a cashier, has it ever happened to you that they looked at you, disgusted, and handed back the coin, saying, "No, no, you gave me the wrong amount." Then, on turning over the coin from heads to tails, said cashier accepted your coin and rang you up.

I'm guessing that's never happened because it is the value, not the face of a coin, that matters, in the realm of both retail and metaphysics (fields that, gladly, are merging in these times).

» Thu Apr 28, 2011 2:00 pm

Don't forget that quantum particles have fractional spins. Certain quarks need to rotate twice for the first side to be apparent.

» Thu Apr 28, 2011 2:16 am

I always assumed 'doom drum' was a cool metaphor for 'heart'.

» Thu Apr 28, 2011 1:08 pm

His heart is who he is, so it's that too. Or Akatosh's brain. The beat of either spreads creation.

» Thu Apr 28, 2011 12:18 am

Not only don't brains beat, but due to the blood-brain barrier, they have no pulse at all.

» Thu Apr 28, 2011 9:03 am

I thought this doom drum we were talking about was insane. I can picture a mad Akatosh beating on his brain, as well as I can see him tearing out Lorkhan's heart. The heart is the mind of the two.

» Thu Apr 28, 2011 9:41 am

Although this does leave me an idea. When Lorkhan's heart was removed his mind shattered like Aka's, and vice versa, which would explain how there could be five or six Shezzarines at any given time.

» Thu Apr 28, 2011 2:11 pm

Or each Shezzarine is like the regular clap of a drum, against a silence. When that beat goes, you have discord.

» Thu Apr 28, 2011 9:32 am

I truly pity any newbie who shows up here eager to understand the lore...

» Thu Apr 28, 2011 7:45 am

I truly pity any newbie who shows up here eager to understand the lore...

*waves*
Hello. I confuse easily here.

» Thu Apr 28, 2011 12:25 pm

I truly pity any newbie who shows up here eager to understand the lore...

Let it go. Everyone knows how you feel on this topic and you stand alone. Adanorcil gave you a post that should have stopped your incessant [censored]ing on this subject. Yet, you continue to bring nothing to the table. Either formulate some new ideas or learn to accept the Akatosh/Lorkhan relationship as a real possibility.

» Thu Apr 28, 2011 2:11 am

Let it go. Everyone knows how you feel on this topic and you stand alone. Adanorcil gave you a post that should have stopped your incessant [censored]ing on this subject. Yet, you continue to bring nothing to the table. Either formulate some new ideas or learn to accept the Akatosh/Lorkhan relationship as a real possibility.

Not just a possibility, but as much a certainty as such a thing can be.
And it's a fairly intuitive dualistic concept; there are MUCH more obtuse things in TES lore. One shouldn't pity someone who's learning about the lore anyways; it's an engaging and immersive experience that I find to be a lot of fun.

» Thu Apr 28, 2011 2:11 pm

*waves*
Hello. I confuse easily here.

Whatcha want answered, Merari? We do try to be nice most of the time.