In the west portion of America, the BOS are A-holes, I would no even go near them.

if i must say yes but i need it to tell sombody off and i thank you :foodndrink: credit goes to jd

Twas a joke.

I say the NCR, gotta be reppin Cali.

It depends which faction my charicter is in.

Pretty much.

Represent, son.

An army isn't made powerful simply by the amount of personnel it has. Look at real world China. Its army consists of over 1 million soldiers, but their weapons, technology and training are extremely poor.

The US Army is smaller in comparison, but because of its advanced and modern equipment, training, etc, it would be able to destroy China's army.

If you have 1000 Chinese soldiers against 500 American soldiers and 50 F-15's, the Americans are likely to win.

Oh but that would be 2:1 ratio...the ratio of NCR troops and BoS troops would be a far larger difference if the West Coast Brotherhood remained like it always had. And as I had previously mentioned, it is very possible that NCR has elements of Enclave in it, so they might have units with far superior tech then BoS (I doubt this now that I think of of it, I expect NCR to be clear-cut good). And the NCR Rangers are extremely well-trained.

That's my point. You may have a large army, but if your enemy has far more superior technology, you're doomed. You can't simply rely on numbers

NCR had a population of 700,000 during Fallout 2 and their technology is not that much far behind BoS. They have combat armors, rocket launchers, miniguns, armor piercing ammo, vehicles, and they recruit Super Mutants.

My point is that no matter how superior your infantry/vehicle-based technology is, there is a certain population ratio where that technology becomes a moot point. Eventually the smaller force will run out of ammo, supplies, morale...

Probably the BOS due to them defeating the Enclave on the east coast. I don't know much about the west coast but I hear that they are much more powerful but I do not think that are as kind-hearted as the east coast.

Didn't i read somwhere that the NCR have no idea how to use Archimedes II to its proper potential? besides you cant beat Prme and his anti communist slurs!

exactly and the ncr arnt exactly poorly trained and they have decint tec. plus a huge number of soldiers. and there well supplied and they have ammo plus they have some massive weapons of there own. im not sure what its called but it can shoot beams from satelight and just obliterate the enemy

Only reason why the BOS won was because of the unique technology they used, Liberty Prime and Tesla Cannon for the Vertibirds.
After Raven Rock was destroyed with Eden in it and Autumn probably killed they weren't completely organized and were easier to pick off.
It's no wonder why the BOS won that war.
Besides, the Enclave are just like the BOS with members, they don't take new recruits.
So it don't really matter which one the NCR meet.
They will always have more soldiers around the corner while Enclave and Lyons Brotherhood can't replace their lost soldiers.
With Liberty Prime dead, what do Lyons Brotherhood have that could triumph the NCR?
Nothing.

let me dig out my earlier post:

NCR
-Huge army.
-Advanced weaponry (They sold pretty awesome stuff during my fallout 2 playthrough's so I don't understand how people think their weaponry is "decent" at best)
-Unknown amount of secret weapons (One we do know of is Archimedes.(Not working right in 2281))
-Elite force known as NCR Rangers
-Do not have power armors but have pretty good armors non the less.
-Outcasts may very well align themselves with the NCR in order to take Lyons down who in their eyes is a traitor.
-Seems to have a problem with communication (New Vegas)

Eastern BOS
-Power Armors (But NCR has weapons that can penetrate their armors)
-Under-supplied. (As far as I remember they don't have any huge storage filled with stuff and they don't produce any either)
-Liberty Prime is broken.
-Still very selective when picking members. (They wouldn't pick us, the PC's, until BS, if they wouldn't pick us, then why would they pick random people?)
-Outdated weapons (Enclave using plasma weaponry while BOS using small guns weapons and laser weapons)
-May very well be under threat from V87 mutants and remnants of Enclave.
-Has no allies.

So?
How are Lyons Brotherhood going to beat them?
Just beacause they beat the Enclave does not make them the top dogs of the fallout universe.


Liberty Prime is broken.
No one knows how long it will take them to make him functional again.

prime has been beatin more than once you no. its just been rebuilt and it can fall agian and be completly destroyed

This is kind of hard to say. NCR has the numbers and numbers always make the biggest difference. But BOS has the tech and a good weapon and defense can easily take out hundreds of soldiers. But this is the apocalypse and the BOS have no fighter jets or tanks or anything like that yet (at least not in canon yet). So I'm going to have to say NCR because a large number of troops with decent weapons can be pretty destructive.

I'm gonna go side with NRC. Normally, I would usually pick the BoS (technologically superior and all that) but the fact that the BoS plays a minor role in FO:NV speaks volumes about how powerful they are now- if they were a serious player, they would probably have more than a "minor" role in New Vegas. So, knowing that BoS plays a minor role, but NCR and Ceasar's Legion having major roles, we can surmise that whatever end in FO2 that matches most with this setup is probably canonical.

Would like to reiterate that this isn't even debatable since it has happened in the fallout world and BoS lost.

Can we please make a scenario: which BOS are we talking about?
If it is the west they die.
If it is the East then they got the people's support, fresh water and the citadel and the fact that they may have the time period to rebuild Prime. You also have to count the distance travelled to attack the East. Eventually the armies would wear down. BTW they are not that picky

BoS lost but if I remember correctly it was a logistical victory (With the Brotherhood running low on supplies, and not from NCR ambushes or anything, and they basically got bored) and that the NCR soldiers didn't fair well.

That's reason enough for me, no problem. :foodndrink:

Yes, I can. And guess what? By October 19th, I'll be a part of the NCR. So I guess that means - NCR>Liberty Prime.

Yeah, uhm, if NCR launched a full scale attack they would have fresh water from the Water Merchants in The Hub.
The citadel is a skeleton of a building which is ready to fall anysecond, woulden't call that place completely safe.
And even if they do repair liberty prime he won't be in the same condition as before. Example: Yknow pirates? Yknow those one's with a wodden leg? That's the point. He can still walk but he won't ever be as functional as one that has two working real legs.
So even if they do repair Mr Prime they would have to give him substitute parts of lesser quality, he would be weaker than the original version.
The NCR woulden't have that much of a problem taking him down.
And BOS got the people's support? So what? Doesn't mean anything. The people would fair better if the NCR took over the area anyway.
And then there is the distance which is a problem. I have no idea how to work around that. But why do NCR have to attack Lyons Brotherhood? Why can't Lyons Brotherhood be the one that travels over a continent?

Actually it was logistical but what happened was they weighed in current losses with their ability to replenish, the fact that their own tech was begining to be leveraged against them, and NCR's ability to reinforce long term and realized they could not win, so they blew the gold mines and called it quits.