Who is Morihaus?

Post » Thu Sep 02, 2010 1:01 am

I've read all 8 parts to the "Song of Pelinal", but cannot fully understand the role of Morihaus. I might be missing some other lore, which might be attributed to this thread, but I know this place to be a good source for lore answers. So, the questions are:

Who is Morihaus? Son of, Father of, etc.

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What is Morihaus? - The "Song of Pelinal" describes him as a bull, but I would think that this description is somewhat archaic/vague. Is he perhaps a minotaur of some kind?

Thanks in advance.
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danni Marchant
 
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Post » Wed Sep 01, 2010 1:31 pm

This is a "Lore" question. Best source for lore is either the Lore Forum or http://www.imperial-library.info/

Found your answer by doing a simple search at the Library for "Morihaus".

Link: http://search.freefind.com/find.html?id=72791987&pageid=r&mode=ALL&n=0&query=morihaus
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Post » Wed Sep 01, 2010 12:16 pm

Morihaus is the half-god winged bull son of Kynareth who helped the men tribes of ancient Cyrodiil during the rebellion against the Ayleids. He acts as the companion to Pelinal Whitestrake and lover to the first empress of Cyrodiil, Alessia. Their offspring is the second emperor of Cyrodiil, Belharza the Man-Bull. He's the provider of the enchanted cuirass Lord's Mail, which is said by MK to be his metallic rawhide.

The statue of his man-form is in the Arena District of the Imperial City.
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Post » Wed Sep 01, 2010 10:20 am

And that's how Minotaurs were made. :lol:
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Post » Wed Sep 01, 2010 9:47 pm

Does Morihaus's name come from the Ayleids? "Mori" means "Darkened" in that language...
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Post » Wed Sep 01, 2010 7:01 pm

What is Morihaus? - The "Song of Pelinal" describes him as a bull, but I would think that this description is somewhat archaic/vague. Is he perhaps a minotaur of some kind?

I fail to see how a minotaur is in any way less archaic and vague than a bull.
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Post » Wed Sep 01, 2010 4:04 pm

I fail to see how a minotaur is in any way less archaic and vague than a bull.


An anthropomorphic bull, or rather a man with a bull mask stretches disbelieve less then an actual talking Bull with angel wings. Thee latter is also less known then the Bull of Minos, I can't recall any game that featured the Assyrian version of the winged bull.
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Post » Wed Sep 01, 2010 6:42 pm

Morihaus is fun. We once had a several-page discussion on his relationship to allesia and the mechanics of the whole matter.

Being that he's the son of Kynareth (is he by Shor or someone else or some christ-figure virgin birth?) The wings make sense. He's one of the liberators of men.
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Post » Thu Sep 02, 2010 12:17 am

Mara | Morwha has four arms to grab more husbands and is depending on culture married to either Lorkhan, Akatosh or both. Kyne was Shors own.
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Post » Wed Sep 01, 2010 9:54 pm

Mara | Morwha has four arms to grab more husbands and is depending on culture married to either Lorkhan, Akatosh or both. Kyne was Shors own.


And with Shors death she cried, giving the gift of Rain to the world.
Also, interestingly enough, she's also the mother of man, breathing life upon the earth, parrelling the RW "mother earth" and "father sky" as seen in alot of early cultures, except backwards, with Father Shor being the Earth, and Mother Kyne being the sky.
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Post » Thu Sep 02, 2010 1:36 am

And with Shors death she cried, giving the gift of Rain to the world.
Also, interestingly enough, she's also the mother of man, breathing life upon the earth, parrelling the RW "mother earth" and "father sky" as seen in alot of early cultures, except backwards, with Father Shor being the Earth, and Mother Kyne being the sky.


This is interesting, but I don't totally agree with Shor being the male anolog to "Mother Earth." Isn't usually the god of the underworld a different role in RW cultures, like being the ruler and caretaker of the departed rather than a nurturing provider? Also, I still believe Mara continues to take that role. Though not Nordic, the Water-Getting Girl does refer to the mothers of the Around-Us. She could be the concubine who just keeps on birthing.
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Post » Thu Sep 02, 2010 12:27 am

Breath-of-Kyne

Old sources say that he is associated with Thu'um, but he never exhibits it. No nose rings flying around like deadly frisbees. So is it just by extension from his relationship to Kyne?
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Post » Wed Sep 01, 2010 3:51 pm

And with Shors death she cried, giving the gift of Rain to the world.
Also, interestingly enough, she's also the mother of man, breathing life upon the earth, parrelling the RW "mother earth" and "father sky" as seen in alot of early cultures, except backwards, with Father Shor being the Earth, and Mother Kyne being the sky.

And then theirs Mor. If Kyne was a on-deity woman, then Morihaus is the embodient of the union of sky (wings) and earth (bull), and if they are the mother and patron of mankind, then that also takes his man-form into account. Cha-bing.
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Post » Wed Sep 01, 2010 10:11 pm

This is interesting, but I don't totally agree with Shor being the male anolog to "Mother Earth." Isn't usually the god of the underworld a different role in RW cultures, like being the ruler and caretaker of the departed rather than a nurturing provider? Also, I still believe Mara continues to take that role. Though not Nordic, the Water-Getting Girl does refer to the mothers of the Around-Us. She could be the concubine who just keeps on birthing.


Not always. Besides, an earth god doesn't have to be a nurturing provider. Take, for instance, the olympian gods. Zeus set himself up as the patron diety, sharing dominion with his two brothers, Poseidon and Hades. Zeus took the sky and gave the ocean and earth to Poseidon and Hades respectively. This also made Hades the god of earthly wealth, since precious gems and metals are found within the earth.

I would say shor is very much akin to Hades in this respect. Shor, as Lorkhan, birthed the earth (Nirn) itself through an idea. Then, as the dead god Shor, became lord of the underworld. Hades was a god of wealth, and Shor is the "greedy man". Just think about it for a while, and it begins to make perfect sense.

The idea of a nurturing provider diety whose spheres of influence include the earth is more of a female concept, than a male. If the earth god of a particular pantheon is, in fact, male, then the nurturing aspect is not included, usually. There are other gods and goddesses that take this into account. Such as a goddes of hearth and home, like Hestia. Or a goddess of agriculture and nature, like Persephone or her mother. After all, the earth must be worked in order for it to provide for man. Earth-mothers nurture. Earth-fathers provide for those who are willing to work for it.
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Post » Thu Sep 02, 2010 12:12 am

I've never figured Morihaus as an entity defined by any one element.

I would like to know the approximate year of his emergence into the world and corresponding resurgence.
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Post » Wed Sep 01, 2010 10:56 am

I've never figured Morihaus as an entity defined by any one element.


Since he was Ada, I would assume that as well. Much like Pelinal, his true form was probably more akin to a vague shape or color than an actual corporeal being. I do believe MK stated bluntly that "He's a bull, with wings." So maybe that was his chosen form. But as he also had armor and a statue of him portrays him as a nordic looking man, he was possibly a shape shifter. Which should be well within the powers of Ada.
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Post » Wed Sep 01, 2010 1:08 pm

That actually came up in discussion before, and I believe they said that he could in fact change shapes. However, MK also stated in that same thread that he was in his bull form when he and Alessia... well... you know.

Hey, I don't write the lore; I just read it. Don't shoot the messenger. :P
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Post » Wed Sep 01, 2010 7:52 pm

But as he also had armor and a statue of him portrays him as a nordic looking man, he was possibly a shape shifter.


I like the explanation that Upity Imperials didn't really like an atomically accurate bull statue better. :P
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Post » Wed Sep 01, 2010 11:51 am

I think they would be more disturbed by the implications of such a piece of art about Alessia's ... romantic life ... than by the art itself.
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Post » Wed Sep 01, 2010 11:29 am

Not always. Besides, an earth god doesn't have to be a nurturing provider. Take, for instance, the olympian gods. Zeus set himself up as the patron diety, sharing dominion with his two brothers, Poseidon and Hades. Zeus took the sky and gave the ocean and earth to Poseidon and Hades respectively. This also made Hades the god of earthly wealth, since precious gems and metals are found within the earth.

I would say shor is very much akin to Hades in this respect. Shor, as Lorkhan, birthed the earth (Nirn) itself through an idea. Then, as the dead god Shor, became lord of the underworld. Hades was a god of wealth, and Shor is the "greedy man". Just think about it for a while, and it begins to make perfect sense.

The idea of a nurturing provider diety whose spheres of influence include the earth is more of a female concept, than a male. If the earth god of a particular pantheon is, in fact, male, then the nurturing aspect is not included, usually. There are other gods and goddesses that take this into account. Such as a goddes of hearth and home, like Hestia. Or a goddess of agriculture and nature, like Persephone or her mother. After all, the earth must be worked in order for it to provide for man. Earth-mothers nurture. Earth-fathers provide for those who are willing to work for it.


Nah, I was wrong about what I said. In the Ibo religion, the fertility goddess is the same as the goddess of the underworld. Moreover, I understood your connection about the lord of the underworld and the "greedy man." But, in Aevar Stone-Singer, the bounties aren't provided by the Greedy Man. In fact, he's the cause of their troubles. So, I'm not sure if there is a connection.
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