I occasionally see some random people who are usually female and they are in red and black power armor. they walk around the wasteland trying to insult my character by telling him he is primitive. I came across what i think was their base and there was some "paladin" guys, a named paladin guy, and a robot. Who are these people? what are there objectives?

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Brotherhood_Of_Steel

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Outcasts

Basically, the Brotherhood are the decendants of the Military personal, and their families, of Mariposa Military base, near San Fransisco. During the great war, in horror of the FEV experimentation that was going on at their base, they radioed their intention to desert from the US army. When no response or reprocussion came, they moved south to the Lost Hills Facility, where they stayed awhile. Their mission to preserve and maintain technology, and ensure their own survival. They cared little for what happened outside of their bunker unless it directly thretened them (such as the Supermutants and the enclave)

Eventually, schismis in the Brotherhood about direction became great, and the seeming obvious solution was to send the troublemakers out on a quest for technology. A group was sent to the Chicago area, whom lost contact with the "Western" brotherhood of steel, this group formed a facist-style group who also took the name "Brotherhood of steel" (Refered to as the "Midwestern" Brotherhood of steel now, although before FO3 were often refered to as the "Eastern" brotherhood of steel.

For some reason or another, it was decided to be a good idea to send a group of people to the Nation's capital, under Lyon. Upon discovery of a technical wonder (assumed to be Liberty Prime), Lyon recieved a battlefield commision to elder.

Elder Lyons decided that acting benevolently and using their technology to help people and go after the muties was a good idea. The Outcasts weren't happy with this idea, and wanted to keep true to the original brotherhood mission of collecting technology, and apparently neither were the WBOS. The WBOS are seemingly refusing to communicate with both groups.

Thank you for typing all that up :hehe: . Sounds like they are all [censored]s except for the elder lyons guy

Not really; agent_c makes the original Brotherhood sound worse than they really are.

I guess I do a bit... They're not the good guys, but they arent the bad guys either. They're probably just half a notch on the "good" side of neutral.

That's something I don't particularly like in Fallout 3 either. While we can still get the story on the original Brotherhood in the game, it seems to me that there was an effort to make the Brotherhood a posterchild for the game, being more heroic and generally the "good guys" under Lyons, whereas the original values in opposition to that (and thus being "evil" in a sense).

What I'm trying to say is that this new group of the new and heroic Brotherhood might become the canonical Brotherhood in the Fallout universe. I certainly hope not because that would take away a lot of the mystique behind the group. The interesting thing was that this was a group that was so focused on hoarding their technology that they didn't really fall into good or evil. They could do both if they had the motivation for it.

I never liked how "good" they make the BoS out to be (East Coast). And, the BoS (West Coast) and Outcasts are made out to be evil bastards, which I never liked either. Just no gray......

Though if you are a follower of Van Buren, then you really do see a change in the Brotherhood of Steel, since under Jeremy Maxson, they become a fairly militant organization, and go to war with New California Republic. Mind you, it should also be reinforced, that the Brotherhood are not a good organization, nor are they humanitarians.

Personally I find the outcasts to be more friendly than the normal eastern brotherhood. The BOS shoot ghouls indiscriminately, while the Outcasts are just rude to everyone. The BOS stay locked up in their base and won't even humour you until Li screams the gate open. The Outcasts meanwhile are perfectly happy to let you into their compound and give you medicine and weapons in exchange for technology.

The BOS patrols unihabited city ruins shooting mutants that don't really leave the ruins, but when they take over an important installation and set up camp opposite Rivet City they do nothing. They protect GNR only because it spreads lies about the holy BOS.

At least with the outcast patrols in the wasteland they actually help neutrals by killing any raiders/robots/mutants they come across, and with their gatling guns they actually stand a chance of winning.

The BOS only treat you like a human once you've proven yourself t be capable of joining ther elitist band of pompous soldiers. Further to that, at their secondary outpost, the outcasts succeed in killing more supermutants in about five minutes than the BOS does in the entire game. Who's really saving the wasteland, even if they only do so incidentally?



Plus Olin is hotter than Rothchild.

The BoS in the original games was much more like Lyons' BoS than the Outcasts. The BoS in the original games didn't act like the Outcasts at all.

Also I assume you've never seen the cover of Fallout.

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I would disagree with ya. If anything, I would bet that the Dev pretty much over exaggerate their rudeness of the Outcast, but still along the line that they are more in relation of the Western Brotherhood of Steel then the Lyon's Brotherhood of Steel. I would also assume that the Lyon's Brotherhood of Steel should have the same mentally if ever they are in the same expedition. But they did not. They are view as "good guys" and "good guys" are not "rude" like that the dev made out for the Outcast to be.

The "Lyons" interpretation of the BOS, has actually very little to do with the BOS of the original game, and reminds me more of "Beau Geste" than the Brotherhood of Steel. The Brotherhood, are not saviors, nor are they even "Robin Hood", instead they are fairly much a self-serving entity. The "Outcasts" are actually a rather fine interpretation of the BOS(especially since it became much more militant under Jeremy Maxson with his war against the NCR). I would even go as far as to say, that the Midwestern BOS are even closer to the original Brotherhood than "Lyons Outcasts". I would even go so far as to say "The Circle of Steel" is closer to the BOS than the Lyons version.

original BOS are the guys who, if you got some fine piece of working ancient technology, would be pretty indifferent putting a bullet in your head for it as trading it for something with you.

No... The Lyons group try to be nice and do the "right" thing... You'd never see the WBOS hand out free water, ever.

The WBOS are the type of folks that send would be recruits on Fools errands to sites where they fully expect you do die horribly.

That's way too extreme for the Brotherhood. They're not thuggish bandits; they don't go around killing people for their technology. There was going to be the exception of Jeremy Maxson in Van Buren, but he was just that... the exception and not the rule.

BOS Outcasts, screw them.

The person depicted in the F1 cover isn't necessarily from the BoS, it could just as well be the Vault Dweller. The T-51b doesn't necessarily imply the BoS.

That's something I don't particularly like in Fallout 3 either. While we can still get the story on the original Brotherhood in the game, it seems to me that there was an effort to make the Brotherhood a posterchild for the game, being more heroic and generally the "good guys" under Lyons, whereas the original values in opposition to that (and thus being "evil" in a sense).
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The BOS certainly arnt evil like the enclave. Im not aware of any cases of them murdering innocents for any reason. I hope the canon takes off with the new east brotherhood. From every thing im reading here the west bos and outcast are useless tech hoarding a holes. I think their core value is to preserve tech for the good of humanity or something like that, but I guess they consider them selves representatives of humanity. Im with lyons view theres no reason they cant do both, that is helping people and hunt for tech.

Not a fan of the 'goody goody' east coast brotherhood and I hope they die off. They just don't fit.

The outcasts treat you like dirt for a good reason, they get no respect from any one and are branded as deserters. When truth be told, they are the ones who are going back to the way BoS is ment to be; a selfish group, that only concern is collecting and storing technology. Lyons BoS is much different from the BoS you may remember in FO1/2.

Respect must be earned, before it is given.

Since it has somewhat been implied(at least according to Van Buren), that eventually the Brotherhood of Steel lost its war with the NCR, I have to wonder how much the Lost Hills Bunker even cares about Lyons and his treachery. I would think eventually the Outcasts would form a militant version of the BOS(similar to the Midwestern BOS).

If you play Operation Anchorage, you get to see how the Outcasts treat locals who help them out.