Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't there more to the Black Sacrament than just offering your life? Even with Astrid, there were candles put around her body, and I believe the usual heart/flesh, plus the "Dear mother, dear mother... etc" chant to it.

After reading this topic, however, and the points regarding Motierre, I don't think I'll end up killing him. He's intelligent, conniving, and knows how to get to where he wants to go. The empire could use a change such as this.

But he takes the easy way. He also needs to eliminate all bloodline of the current emperor, if he was to have any chance of succession. It'll just mean another civil war in Cyrodil, and empire doesn't need that right now, unless you see it from the Aldemeri Dominion's point of view.

Well, not necessarilly. For all we know, the guy is married to one of Titus Mede's daughters or IS part of the bloodline. Relatives of Julius Caesar only remained the Emperors for awhile.

However, I think the fact that he handled it the way he did shows he was neither politically savvy or particularly intelligent. After all, he handled his business personally in a crypt and relied on the honor of the Dark Brotherhood to handle it with no contingency plans or assistance.

I'm not deabting the fact that he isn't fit to rule, I am debating the fact that he has no right to rule.

Very true.

It's also quite clear the Medes don't have much hold on the dynasty anyway.

The guy wants to be emperor, but is too much of pansy to take care of the current emperor himself, so he hires the DB to do it.. not someone that I want leading the Empire.

One one hand, the Dark Brotherhood is GOOD at what they do.

On the other, he comes off as a weasal.

you have the dragon blood you can clam it under blood right and say your are one of the septim line and just show by shouting

The Empire would be foolish to put anyone but Balgruuf T. Greater on the emporers throne.Skyrim remains part of the empire,Hammerfell can come back now that there is not some feather merchant Cyrodil in charge.Most important reason tho is I like Balgruuf and he shouldn't be stuck in that little room in the palace

I don't think Balgruuf likes the Empire that much to try and take control.

I know but he seems kinda sad stuck in that room.

The next emperor will be a Medes, not a Motierre, that is how succession is handled. Amaund is most likely just a lackey of the crown prince, whoever that is. A man who wishes to be emperor would not risk himself in a secret meeting with a botherhood assassin who may somehow implicate him should the assassination failed.

I am quite sure there are those in the Elder Council who opposed the WGC and views Titus as a weak leader. Amaund has also told you that you have done a great service to the whole of Tamriel when you have successfully assassinated the Emperor.

I am quite convinced Amaund is of the faction who views that the removal of a weak leader with appeasemant policy is necessary to combat the Thalmor. To those who killed Amaund, congratulations, you have successfully removed a staunch important supporter of a secret faction within the Elder Council to combat the Thalmor. Your masters should be pleased.

All hail to the DRAGONBORN! You are the High King!

When an Emperor is assassinated, that's pretty good indication that the dynasty is coming to an end. You don't kill one and expect the next to let you live. The Medes are finished.


I'm sure the Thalmor are people he hates but one good idea isn't enough to make him deserve to live.

Shouting is not proof of dragonblood. Else Ulfric would also be Dragonborn, or any of the Greybeards.

That might not be true, Theres a very good chance that there could be More Medes.

The last person Id want as emperor. Then his monster child Nelkir becomes next in line. Think he can straighten the kid out in the time he has before he dies?

1. Incorrect. Our history has shown us that Emperors have been assassinated without negatively affecting their dynasties. Patricide is a viable means of accession to the Throne although generally not accepted in polite company. Only Orcs make it a rule.

My point is they are clearing the way for a stronger leader with the will to push against the Thalmor. This leader is most likely a Mede in order to receive the mantle to rule.

2. What exactly has Amaund done to warrant his death. Do enlighten us. Assuming what I has just suggested is true. The man could very well be a hero, wimpy, conceit pompous non-withstanding.

It's less common than you think since patricide pretty much is the one big way to invalidate someone's rule, though as far back as Biblical times (and probably older) there have been princes who have rebelled. It still tends to shoot you in the foot.

Astrid indicates the hirer is trying to become Emperor himself. Given there's no one who says anything otherwise, I'm inclined to believe her.


He is a traitor and willing to employ the Dark Brotherhood. Even if you're a member of the Dark Brotherhood, it should be easy to know the majority of your clients are scum. Under no circumstances should either a traitor or a Dark Brotherhood contractor be allowed to be Emperor.

Even if the Emperor is bad.

Motierre is a messenger and probably not even the real name. And if you looked carefully, there were two "Motierres" so as not to give you any way of blackmail. He playing his part. No one on the Elder Council is going to want to show themselves to be directly connected. As a matter of fact I would not be surprised if Motierre was a messenger who was given the task by someone two steps removed from the Elder Council member(s) involved in the conspiracy. His role was to 1) perform the dark ritual; 2) meet with you and give you the job; 3) the second one's job was to make good on the payment; 4) report back to his superiors that the DB did the job. The Elder Council ASSUMED that things were still done as in the old days. Fortunately for them the Night Mother arrived in the nick of time.

My hunch is that you initially met the real Motierre. The second contact for payment was a lackey.

Motierre fulfilled his task completely. There was no deception. The only deception was done by your predecessor, Astrid. Astrid said "So someone is trying to rise above their station." She didn't say who. She assumed and she left that to you to assume, and we know what A$$ U ME means. Also I've concluded that Astrid is a bumbling idiot who was just winging it and making it up as she went along. No sense of honor. No sense of purpose. And she stabbed you in the back which to me discredits her a whole lot. Motierre will not become Emperor. By killing Motierre's messenger, you sent the Elder Council a message that the DB is not to be trusted with future business. This was a conspiracy that went quite deep. Not all the eggs were in one basket. So my message to those who killed the messenger: "You're fired!"

PS: I would not be surprised if the conspiracy originated within the Legion. The Romans used to have the Praetorian Guard carry out these assassinations all the time for a general to take over.

The Mede emperorship seems to be a title rather than an actual bloodline. Mede II wasn't Mede I's son. The succession is said to be a bit different than the Septims handled it. Seems like the elder council has a say in it.

What about the fact that you absorb the souls of Dragons, and defeat Alduin the World Eater?

That seems like a pretty good reason to be Emperor, by itself. Then you've got more of a link to the Septim dynasty than the Medes do, just based on you being Dragonborn.

As another poster has pointed out, Amaund is a mere messager. The crown prince or whoever is next in line isn't going to come himself. Logic dictrates that the next person in line for the throne would be a Mere, not a Motierre. Given how young Amaund is, I doubt he is even the head of his own house. The rising above station part merely refers to him aligning himself with the man who is to become Emperor and increase his family's standing.

If Amaund is really part of a faction that attempts to change the Empire's appeasemant policy towards the Thalmor and fight for the survival of man races in Tamriel then he is a traitor cut of the same cloth as Oskar Schindler or Claus von Stauffenberg.

True.

I wouldn't be surprised if the two Motierres were just an accident by the Devs. If they actually meant for there to be two of them then I guess this "Mottierre" guy must be important. However, I doubt he's the one to become Emperor. He's just someone else's little puppet.