Alduin is the Nordic variation of Akatosh, and only superficially resembles his counterpart in the Eight Divines. For example, Alduin's sobriquet, 'the world eater', comes from myths that depict him as the horrible, rauaging firestorm that destroyed the last world to begin this one. Nords therefore see the god of time as both creator and harbinger of the apocalypse.



SO basically, since the world went to hell (Dagoth Ur, Oblivion Crisis, etc etc), Akatosh is coming back to renew the world. A good example is the Phoenix, it dies and is reborn out of its own ashes.

Actualy, I also have a feeling that defeating Alduin could cause another dragon break.

It will be interesting to see what Bethesda comes up with.

I'm a little confused too now.

I wonder if tod howard is enjoying this thread,seeing us all confused
MAYBE he's confused now...haha.

Tod will be like: Akatosh in three places at once?....hmmmm maybe their right,doesn't make sense.
OH CRAP.....HOLY CRAP....GUY'S....WE NEED TO RE-WRITE THE GAME....WE NEED TO RE-WRITE THE GAME!

Game release date now changes to: 11,11,13.......haha

That is a good theory!



Yeah, already can't wait for ES: 6



Hahah

Meh, that would be fun if we thought that it's Alduin coming to destroy the world, but then it would reveal that it's just Tiger-dragon invades Tamriel, and Nord's religion is still stupid :thumbsup:

But there's no way for it to happen, at least because the dragons we've seen are black, and Tosh Raka is tiger-coloured, so if he managed to turn his subjects into dragons, they would be yellow and striped :nod:

It's just a gut feeling, and I could be very wrong about this, but I think a dragon break is small time compared to what Alduin intends. I think what we're seeing is the potential end of a kalpa, or world cycle, and if Alduin suceeds, then the world of Tamriel as we know it will be gone, and something completely different will take it's place. The dragon breaks only seem to change things on a local level. They don't change everything, only certain things.

Here's a thought to stir up the pot. What if we're not meant to stop Alduin, but to help him?

Akatosh can do whatever it wants. The King Divine isn't held back by the pact that he made with Alessia anymore.

How do we know Alduin is not to Akatosh what Jyggalag is to Sheogorath? another aspect of him that appears when something needs tohappen, and right now, what needs to happen is another rightful heir needs to climb to the throne and prove himself. maybe this trial is Akatosh changing to Alduin so a dragonborn hero may arise, defeat him, earn the land's respect and light the dragonfires anew.

It DOES seem a little petty for a god to end the world just because of a civil war in Skyrim given all that has happened in Tamarial lore wise. But being my own devil's advocate+ the prophecy doesn't say this is because brothers war...only that the brothers war is a marker for it. I have been wondering if the current set up could allow for VI to take place on the across the southern continent. Probably another topic but do you think there will be a VI after these events or would this just be the end?

Guys, just because he was a 'good guy' in one game, doesn't make him a 'good guy' in another. Only in Hollywood, and other badly written things is stuff that simple. In order to do what he wants, Akatosh/Alduin needs to destroy the Amulet of Kings, I reckon he tricked Martin into destroying it. Sure, he 'saved the day', but I think it was for his personal means.

Also, look at Morrowind, Vivec, ain't that simple a character (in my opinion, the best character in any video game ever). He seems to be a good guy, but he's NOT REALLY is he. Also, you being the Nerevarine an everything, and destroying the heat thus taking away Vivec's and the rest of the Tribunals power. Guided by Azura, when you actually look at it, you are just a pawn in a Daedric Prince having revenge against Vivec and the Tribunal.

How do you know he is a physical being. If he is a god he probably does nto appear before mortals, or he is omnipotent. (I believe that to be the word) or they worship the same god but have different beliefs about him and he is up in heaven or god land.

"congratulations, you've taken your first steps into a larger world."

Here's how it goes: Akatosh and Alduin are both the Dragon God of Time. Because Imperials believe he is one way, he is that way, and because Nords believe one way, he is that way too, at the same time, even though they're mutually exclusive. That's just how godhood works in TES

Check out this thread: http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1157744-akatoshalduin-in-skyrim/.

I think the name for akatosh in skyrim is actually Ysmir, or something similar.

Ysmir is the Nordic name for Talos, which was the emperor Tiber Septim who withstood the voice of the Greybeards and heard their prophecy. He was perceived as a dragon after doing so, however, according to myth. He was the emperor who united the empire and started the Third Era.

Alduin is the Nordic equivalent of Akatosh, the dragon god of time. (In Nordic mythology, the one who eats the world, and can eat away the age of someone until they are younger than they were.)

oooh, okay thanks for clearing that up, I'm not one to care for the nine or nordic religion, I do know a lot about the daedric princes though.

The only difference between the Aedra and the Daedra is the Aedra helped Lorkhan in creating the plane of Mundus, creating a world of change with rules (Akatosh/Alduin causing time to start and to flow for example) and being for the most part trapped within it, whereas the Daedric Princes created planes that only reflected their own personalities/spheres. Only a theory, but being trapped, or rather seeing the trap and choosing to remain within it, forced regulations on Auriel/Akatosh/Alduin, determining the beginning,flow and end of time in the plane. Akatosh may not want the world to end, but the constraints placed on him by Lorkhan's plan predetermine it, thus the Nords see him as the Dragon that ends the world, whereas the Empire, having borrowed the Ayleid view of him, subconciously see him as the benevolent god that will end the confinement that is the world, stopping time and freeing the spirits trapped therein.

yes, its actually quite interesting, I love how much bethesda has worked on lore, it makes it all that much more immersive.

HA, thats Hilarius. But would defiantly svck.

But anyways even if he IS the same being as Akatosh. It would be logical based on how lore on real world deities where they speak up being the creator AND Destroyer of the world. It all fits into place. Alduin may not be evil at all and is just coming back to "Clean up" the world, but is perceived as evil since people will be killed in the process. So maybe the player may be un-knowingly doing a bad thing :/ or may not be. Its a complex theory. Who knows what the grand scheme of things is.

This thread just brought up the largest debate on TES lore history!

sure hope we get a chance to kill the nine divines, it would make such an epic quest.

dude..wut... no. the entire earth. Noah and his family were all that was left. thats y he needed 2 of every animal.

from wut i know vivec is possibly mephala is i remember correctly. sheogorath is jyggalag. lorkhan is either good or evil depending on the people u ask. so alduin is akatosh im sure. but like any god gives and takes. in this case he may have good intentions for destroying everything. its his job and it keeps everything stable. like a forrest fire really. aand if vivec might really be a daedra then tosh raka culd be an aedra. i dont have much time to talk all this out. im in math class lol

Vivec claims that he replaced Mephala in the Chimeri pantheon, as a way of claiming legitimacy. Tosh Raka was a mortal who became a sort of avatar or Akatosh.

According to the Nords, time is cyclical and Alduin restarts the universe every once and a while. On some spiritual level, the elves want it to happen.

Elves just want to end up as gods in the next kalpa, and remove Glorious Mankind from being possible.

And so the fabled Red Shirt Guy emerges once again