Is Akatosh the most powerful thing/idea/creation/entity/god to ever exist? Azura seems to be pretty darn powerful too. (She created the Khajiit race with a flick of the wrist) I'm assuming not all the 8 Aedra are equally powerful when compared to one another.

You can't answer that question in a place like TES. I'm surprised you overlooked the Daedric Lord of Destruction for the Lord of Dusk and Dawn :shrug: . The only question similar to this that can be answered is a "greatest warrior" one, which was answered by MK himself:

Well I'm a novice at lore.
Aren't the Aedra more powerful or wiser than Daedra? I mean, there are tons of daedra but there are only eight Aedra. Doesn't that imply that they are more special than the aedra? Or are they both equal?

In http://www.imperial-library.info/book_daedra/ is says that both the aedra and daedra were originally et'Ada (a result of the interplay of the Aurbis and Sithis (void)).

You're kidding me, right? Mehrunes Dagon? He is the ultimate power in the Aurbis? Nothing can match him? He didn't create jack squat. Akatosh learned the ability to control time, which I think is an incredible power. But then can Dagon annihilate the entire Mundus with one stroke if he wants to? (I haven't played OB, btw.)

You misunderstood my Mehrunes comment: I was pointing out how I found it odd that you'd assume a god who technically didn't even really create the Khajiit (which is part of what Daedra are: they can't create. They can only change) was more powerful than a god whose sphere is destroying crap. Azura really just changed some mortals that stayed in Elsweyr (I assume they were Aldmer beforehand).

Aedra are bound to Mundus and Daedra are not; Aedra gave themselves to Mundus and created it, but the Daedra did not. No god is wiser (in a power level sort of sense) that any other.

No, Dagon can't do that to Mundus. It takes a great deal of work for him to do so.

All their power levels are universally over 9000.

Ohhh, really? Geez, I need to go reread this again. http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/clanmother.shtml
I was under the assumption that Azura created the Khajiit out of thin air like how a magician pulls a wabbit out of his hat.
I didn't know what Daedra couldn't create. Or maybe I forgot. But Aedra can create but not change and Daedra can change but not create? And that goes for making new races and lands and planets?

I keep reading http://www.imperial-library.info/book_daedra/ over and over and over. I guess I should just keep rereading it until something clicks.
So all the 8 Aedra are equally powerful, just with different dominions or specialities?
When you say the aedra are bound to the mundus, what exactly to you mean? Bound as in stuck to it like a fly on flypaper? Not bound literally, right? But bound spiritually?

Huh? :blink: Are you just making a joke?

Their power and influence over or under one another cannot really be plotted on a scale.

EDIT: And yes, I was. Though it was hopefully a joke with a pointed meaning.

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You're talking about the Aedra, right? Or are you talking about the Daedra? Or both?

Both, really. For the Aedra and Daedra, are you more powerful by creating? Or are you more powerful by changing? There are subjective opinions, but not a definitive answer.

For the Daedra as compared to themselves, Does more power mean more destruction? Or more treachery? Or more knowledge? Or more insanity? Or more revelry? Again, subjective takes aplenty, but no real means by which to measure.

Ah, now I see where you're coming from. I mean, now I see from where you are coming. Since they do different things, it's not really that one is bigger or stronger than the other, but rather, they're special in their own ways, both Aedra and Daedra.
Would you say that Daedra/Aedra can be compared to the Sith/Jedi in the sense that they are similar in almost every aspect except for their limitations such as ability to change or create? I mean, the daedra/aedra have the same origin, Et'ada, they just went down different paths. Right? No?

I suppose that anology could work to a point. Though Sith and Jedi are designed to have moral baggage attached to them (Sith == bad, Jedi == good), whereas TES divinity doesn't seem to be too terribly concerned with ethical doctrine, http://www.imperial-library.info/obbooks/ten_commands.shtml aside.

I'd have to say Daedric Lords hands down. The Aedra are weaker because they took part in creation. Daedra never had to give up their up powers to make the world so they stayed strong

http://www.imperial-library.info/book_daedra/

Under Creation Myth, 5th & 6th paragraphs talks about that. So you're right, the et-Ada were weak after creating a world (after being persuaded by Lorkhan) and there were other daedra like Y'ffre but he transformed into Ehlnofey and the only ones that were left were the eight we know today. This project of creating a world wasn't enticing to the other et-Ada, and so they became the Daedra. Ya know, I guess that makes sense in a way as they are not our ancestors since they didn't take part in creating the world in which all the denizens of Nirn now live. The Aedra, in a sense, are our oldest ancestors because they created the world Nirn that everybody lives on. I'm going off on a tangent here, though. But that sounds correct, right?

So the daedra are stronger since their fellow et-Ada who were weakened by creation and became the Aedra.
If the process of creation harms et-Ada (daedra/aedra) then shouldn't the Aedra creating more things after wards still harm them further yet? And in that sense, wouldn't they become so weak from creating that they'd eventually die? And what types of things are we talking about in the sense of creation? A grain of sand? A flower? A rock? A person? A land? A race? A world? A star? Something not material or physical like an idea or law or concept? People say "creation" but what exactly are they creating that makes the Aedra weaker and weaker? Or does their weakness simply reach a plateau?

Powerful? not at at all.... When the Aedra created Mundus they gave away alot of their power while the daedra laughed at them on how stupid they could be... Wiser?... well, the Aedra where stupid enough to got tricked by Lorkhan while the Daedra didn't..

Some say they were tricked, others say that they knowingly consented.

That aside, the Aedra's power varies depending on mortal myth.

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I see now that the Daedra are more powerful than Aedra. But each Daedra has its own power that is different. So they're all special in their own unique ways.
Now what specifically can Aedra create?

That's still very much a subjective value statement that can't be objectively proven. Without the Aedra, the convention, and the mortal races that sprung from that, the Daedra would have no mortals to provide them entertainment or definition.


The world. But IIRC, while the "create vs change" separation is a good starting point, it mostly refers to the convention. The Aedra created the world. The Daedra get to manipulate what the Aedra brought to the table. It's not a very stable guideline for anything other than the convention, really. Things get too muddled. And as for Aedric power, then the ending of Oblivion is a decent example as any.


Someone who has a much better grasp on these things can jump in at any time. The Aedra and their rather unique current relationship with mortals is where I'm sketchiest.

Who is more powerful?

The advlt who builds a house (Aedra) or the child who smashes the windows (Daedra) ?

The people who live in the house and can repair it (mortals), for the house was built for them and has no purpose in their absence for either the builder or the destructor.

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