Who is the One ?

Post » Mon Oct 17, 2011 12:56 am

I was reading The Real Barenziah, and Tiber Septim speaks of it. I know it is not Akatosh, because no Nord would worship him. I also notice in TES Oblivion, that there was not a temple for Kyne; only a shrine. Is it because she is a Nordic Goddess?



No Matrix Jokes please. :biggrin:
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Post » Sun Oct 16, 2011 10:53 pm

edit: found http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Temple_of_the_One
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Alyce Argabright
 
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Post » Sun Oct 16, 2011 11:28 pm

Talos?



Really. So Tiber was speaking about hisself ?
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Post » Sun Oct 16, 2011 7:24 pm

Really. So Tiber was speaking about hisself ?

I was mistaken, Tiber just restored the Temple.
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Post » Sun Oct 16, 2011 3:51 pm

I was mistaken, Tiber just restored the Temple.


Okay, I got it. Thanks for helping with the answer, but it's still not clear who the One is. I wonder if it's a god from the previous Kalpa.
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Post » Mon Oct 17, 2011 5:14 am

Okay, I got it. Thanks for helping with the answer, but it's still not clear who the One is. I wonder if it's a god from the previous Kalpa.

Upon further review perhaps the One is http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Alessian_Order.
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Post » Sun Oct 16, 2011 10:46 pm

Upon further review perhaps the One is http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Alessian_Order.


You know, I think you are right. Thanks for the help.
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Post » Sun Oct 16, 2011 9:19 pm

There are a few discrepancies between the Real Barenziah (written in Daggerfall) and the One as portrayed later. In modern lore, the One is basically a monotheistic god, primarily worshiped by the Alessian Order (a Nibenean institution, while TRB has the cult as Nordic in origin). The temple itself appears to be a sort of grand Imperial church, used for general worship of the Cult, not just of the One. According to http://imperial-library.info/content/concerning-psijic-order-and-psijic-endeavor, it has some connection to the Psijjic Endeavor. I would ping him as a Lorkhan type with a strong emphasis on the self sacrifice to allow for transcendence and the parental love aspects, but that's just guess work.

I also notice in TES Oblivion, that there was not a temple for Kyne; only a shrine. Is it because she is a Nordic Goddess?

Probably because giant cathedrals in the middle of cities aren't very connected with nature. Kyne is the Nordic version of the Imperial Kynareth.
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Post » Sun Oct 16, 2011 5:07 pm

I was reading The Real Barenziah, and Tiber Septim speaks of it. I know it is not Akatosh, because no Nord would worship him. I also notice in TES Oblivion, that there was not a temple for Kyne; only a shrine. Is it because she is a Nordic Goddess?



No Matrix Jokes please. :biggrin:

Kynareth is ultimately a nature goddess for the cyrodiils. As such, her shrine is in the great forest rather than a stuffy cathedral.

As for the Temple of the One, It probably dates back to the old days of the Alessian order, and the one is most likely the single god that the order worshiped.

(please note, Alessia is not said deity)
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Post » Mon Oct 17, 2011 7:36 am

Indeed. You learn something new everyday.


edit: nevermind, I see it.
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Post » Sun Oct 16, 2011 8:17 pm

There are a few discrepancies between the Real Barenziah (written in Daggerfall) and the One as portrayed later. In modern lore, the One is basically a monotheistic god, primarily worshiped by the Alessian Order (a Nibenean institution, while TRB has the cult as Nordic in origin). The temple itself appears to be a sort of grand Imperial church, used for general worship of the Cult, not just of the One. According to http://imperial-library.info/content/concerning-psijic-order-and-psijic-endeavor, it has some connection to the Psijjic Endeavor. I would ping him as a Lorkhan type with a strong emphasis on the self sacrifice to allow for transcendence and the parental love aspects, but that's just guess work.


Probably because giant cathedrals in the middle of cities aren't very connected with nature. Kyne is the Nordic version of the Imperial Kynareth.


So would you say they are worshiping Lorkhan without saying they are worshping Lorkhan? Because you know, trickster and all that.
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Post » Sun Oct 16, 2011 7:58 pm

So would you say they are worshiping Lorkhan without saying they are worshping Lorkhan? Because you know, trickster and all that.

I would say that they are worshiping Lorkhan as a hypostasis of the Godhead. But that's 'cause I like the word "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypostasis_(philosophy)" :spotted owl:

We don't really know anything about who the One was, other than him being a monotheistic deity. I'm just extrapolating on the Order's connection to Alessia (who was big on Shezarr in his freedom aspect), the connection to the Psijjic Endeavor, and them being men to assume that the One was some version of Lorkhan. Could they have grasped the idea of the singular Godhead and been worshiping that? Maybe, I guess. The Order is sadly lacking in information outside the realms of fan work.
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Post » Sun Oct 16, 2011 8:10 pm

I would say that they are worshiping Lorkhan as a hypostasis of the Godhead. But that's 'cause I like the word "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypostasis_(philosophy)" :spotted owl:

We don't really know anything about who the One was, other than him being a monotheistic deity. I'm just extrapolating on the Order's connection to Alessia (who was big on Shezarr in his freedom aspect), the connection to the Psijjic Endeavor, and them being men to assume that the One was some version of Lorkhan. Could they have grasped the idea of the singular Godhead and been worshiping that? Maybe, I guess. The Order is sadly lacking in information outside the realms of fan work.



I like your ideas.I think it fits because with Tiber (Talos) being a Nord, he would restore the temple for that reason. I hope we find out some facts about the order sometime in the future.
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Post » Sun Oct 16, 2011 7:45 pm

Where once there were Eight, now One more stands with them, and they have become Nine.
Just as the Eight aided Pelinal of old, now the ascended One, Talos who was Tiber Septim, provides his Blessing to you, the new Crusader.

Knights of the Nine is full of this stuff.
Just poke around The Prophet's dialogue in the TESC. I, for one, would consider him to be quite a reliable source.

So, the short of it, the One is the Shezzar(ine). Probably.
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Post » Sun Oct 16, 2011 10:32 pm


So, the short of it, the One is the Shezzar(ine). Probably.


The One has nothing to do with Lorkhan and little in common with him. The Alessian Order paid no dues to the Eight or Shezarr; they supplanted them.

This monotheistic religion was once very popular, but today only remnants of its faith remain. It started in the coastal jungle of what is now the Colovian west, where a prophet named Marukh, who had spoken to the "Enlightened One," Saint Alessia, began to question the validity of Elven rule. These sentiments led to an increasingly abstract and unknowable depiction of a Single God. The Alessians were wise enough to realize that they had to incorporate the ancient polytheistic elements into their new religion for it to find a wide acceptance. The divine aspects worshipped by the various humans and Aldmeri were recognizable in the guise of the myriad saints and spirits of the evolving Alessian canon. It wasn't long before the Order was the authority on every religion in Tamriel, and their power grew to earthshaking proportions. Nearly a third of the First Era passed under their theocratic rule. When its priesthood had become too widespread to support itself, the Order began to fight among itself. With the severance of the territories of West Cyrodiil from the Empire, too much money and land had been lost. The War of Righteousness broke out, and the Order which had almost ruled the world undid itself in a ten year span.


Monotheism is nearly impossible in Tamriel, where so many deities obviously exist. Compare the One to the Skaal's All-Maker or the Yokudan Satakal. It's something of a synthesis, or a putting-back-together of parts that were once whole.
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