who is van buren? : Fallout Series Discussion

» Tue May 17, 2011 8:38 am

i think he is the man that makes fallout history.
But a friend, said he is only one producer of fallout 1 and 2, and tim cain is the maker of history.
well. we discussed that... and get in nowhere .-. what he is?

» Tue May 17, 2011 11:02 am

Van Buren was a codename for the original Fallout 3 that got sacked by Interplay in 2003. The title comes from 8th president of United States Martin Van Buren.

» Tue May 17, 2011 6:21 am

LOL .-. seriusly?... hmmm who makes the fallout history?

» Tue May 17, 2011 6:36 am

Van Buren was one of america's presidents, and Van Buren was the codename for Interplays Fallout 3.

Chris Avellone wrote the history of Fallout and etc.

» Tue May 17, 2011 3:24 pm

The writers..

check http://fallout.wikia.com for a better behind the scenes look.

» Tue May 17, 2011 11:25 am

My friend goes to laught of my kkk .-. and i go to laught of him.
how i can think this [censored].
thanks for the reply's.

» Tue May 17, 2011 2:56 pm

Van Buren was one of america's presidents, and Van Buren was the codename for Interplays Fallout 3.

Chris Avellone wrote the history of Fallout and etc.

So does Chris avellone still work for fallout? Whos making the history now?

» Tue May 17, 2011 4:38 am

So does Chris avellone still work for fallout? Whos making the history now?

He doesn't write the History anymore as far as I know, but he helped Obsidian with New Vegas.

No one is making history/canon now as Bethesda wants to keep it open to whatever, which infuriates me.

» Tue May 17, 2011 12:48 am

he is making any other game?

» Tue May 17, 2011 3:26 pm

Chris at least was working on Fallout New Vegas DLC. And possibly he's working on another unannounced Obsidian game (I'm not sure, but it would make sense 'cause there are a few of them -- IIRC one original title and two licenced ones).

» Tue May 17, 2011 2:10 am

he is making any other game?

Can only hope so. He worked on Fallout 2, Van Buren and New Vegas. He wrote the Fallout Bible but the bible should not be considered canon unless the information shows up in a game or has been in a game. Bethesda is in charge of the lore now. They said they respect the bible and consider all the games canon but for BoS.

» Tue May 17, 2011 6:19 am

He doesn't write the History anymore as far as I know, but he helped Obsidian with New Vegas.

No one is making history/canon now as Bethesda wants to keep it open to whatever, which infuriates me.

You should just let the cards fall in to place what bethesda is doing.

» Tue May 17, 2011 2:52 pm

You should just let the cards fall in to place what bethesda is doing.

"Do not go gentle into that good night. Rage, rage against the dying of the light."

» Tue May 17, 2011 6:27 am

You should just let the cards fall in to place what bethesda is doing.

Except they are blank cards in Bethesda's deck, leaving everyone at the table speculating something they don't have.

» Tue May 17, 2011 1:23 am

Except they are blank cards in Bethesda's deck, leaving everyone at the table speculating something they don't have.

Yes just like REAL history. You dont know whats gonna happen. You gotta see it unravel before your eyes into something. Having it unpredictable.

» Tue May 17, 2011 11:39 am

Yes just like REAL history. You dont know whats gonna happen. You gotta see it unravel before your eyes into something. Having it unpredictable.

No, Bethesda just leaves it open because they have crap writers. Having it open means they can't make mistakes and leaves room for epicness! With the Multiple endings we have some idea of whats going/can to happen. Like Boradam said everyone will just be speculating about nothing if we are given nothing to go on.

» Tue May 17, 2011 7:34 am

No, Bethesda just leaves it open because they have crap writers. Having it open means they can't make mistakes and leaves room for epicness! With the Multiple endings we have some idea of whats going to happen. Like Boradam said everyone will just be speculating about nothing if we are given nothing to go on.

Well when the next game is made they going to have to solidify the story, unless they mvoe to a new loction.

But eventually we will come into contact with previous factions, adn they will have to tell us.

» Tue May 17, 2011 1:06 am

Well when the next game is made they going to have to solidify the story, unless they mvoe to a new loction.

But eventually we will come into contact with previous factions, adn they will have to tell us.

From my understanding Bethesda does not like to give to much info about what happened to the people and places from past games. Could be why we did not get much info about events of Fallout and Fallout 2 from New Vegas. Bethesda might have told Obsidian to leave it vauge. Its also why we were not given multiple endings in Fallout 3. They can't write and they don't want to, saves them money that way :rolleyes:

At some point maybe a year or two from now (or longer) when Fallout 4 comes out we will learn but in the mean time we have nothing but speculation to go on. Which make is it poinless IMO.

» Tue May 17, 2011 12:34 pm

well its not like fallout 1 and 2 had the lore spelled out.. it was up to the fallout bible, which isnt offical, even if highly respected...

lets also remember that just because something is spelled out as "fallout history" doesnt mean that the next game is going to have jack to do with it.

i would consider the community over at the wikia to be the new lore writers though.
they police pretty well over there and arent against calliong out inconsistancies, and giveing context to events that happened.

» Tue May 17, 2011 3:58 am

The opposite of Open of course is Closed.

Once something is closed, you've locked yourself off from a lot of routes, unless you start contradicting "canon" an cause few lore-wars.

Best simply not to go there, except in game.

» Tue May 17, 2011 12:15 pm

Wiki/Vault people consider the bible canon unless there are inconsistancies. They changed the part about the Enclave and world bases, so I am happy with that. I don't consider them the new lore writers. Just the unofficial keepers of the lore.

Future games do have to keep in step with Canon set in the games before. Does not mean the next game has to continue the story of the last but it can't just undo what was done in the past.

» Mon May 16, 2011 11:24 pm

The opposite of Open of course is Closed.

Once something is closed, you've locked yourself off from a lot of routes, unless you start contradicting "canon" an cause few lore-wars.

Best simply not to go there, except in game.

Even with open you still get lore wars. IMO there really stupid lore wars. Each side fighting over nothing because they have nothing.

Closed is better because you have lore, history, canon! Sometimes things do have to come to and end and that upsets some people. Still its better to have things make sence/logical, continuing the saga, then it is to have no history, anything goes, Michael Bay explosions replacing writers. Nothing making sense, having the same factions in every game playing the same role over and over again.

» Tue May 17, 2011 2:24 am

eh, the F-Bible really is not actually official. it has some elements that are official documents, but it certainly wasnt official in and of its self

» Mon May 16, 2011 11:55 pm

well its not like fallout 1 and 2 had the lore spelled out.. it was up to the fallout bible, which isnt offical, even if highly respected...

lets also remember that just because something is spelled out as "fallout history" doesnt mean that the next game is going to have jack to do with it.

i would consider the community over at the wikia to be the new lore writers though.
they police pretty well over there and arent against calliong out inconsistancies, and giveing context to events that happened.

The Vault Dweller saved Necropolis, Hub, paid Water Mechants to supply Vault 13 and was a male.

The Chosen One turned Redding into an NCR state, impregnated Mrs. Bishop or Angela Bishop and helped the Bishops or didn't help any families, he was a male and snuck into Navarro.

» Tue May 17, 2011 12:14 pm

eh, the F-Bible really is not actually official. it has some elements that are official documents, but it certainly wasnt official in and of its self

I agree with you and so does Chris Avellone. I know because I asked him :foodndrink: Still it was official once, just not now.

Its just that I taked with the guy that runs wiki/vault and he says they consider the Bible Canon unless there are contradictions. I found one and he agreed.

The Bible is best semi-canon and the games trump it. Still new games don't trump older games. If a new game goes against the past game, its the one making the mistake. Unless the people that own the rights come right out and say "series reboot" and I think Bethesda is not going to do that, thank God.