We know enough, what else is there to read about?

No, I personally would not like the Enclave in a future Fallout game.

FO2 also said that the Enclave was dead. We know that not to be true.

"One of our Chicago bases"

How many relay stations would you need? I doubt that's what it is. But there is nothing but your intuition pointing you towards saying its "just a relay station". That can't really be proven.

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As long as we get to join them this time around I wouldn't mind at all.

Yeah Fallout 2 said the Rig blew up. Navarro was not explained. Fallout New Vegas explained what happened to Navarro and Fallout 3 tells us there were no Enclave in East till after Fallout 2.

Relay stations means they had no long range communication.

This.

One does not simply walk into the Enclave. They use you and/or kill you, if you're not born into it.


That.

They've been beaten and beaten and beaten, and there weren't much of them from the start to begin with. People just want them for their "awesome guns and armor", because realistically no one would support their cause of killing all mutations in the world (that is - killing everyone except themselves)

Some of your posts are just...hilarious. I like especially when you use words like logic.

Cuz logic tells me they spread out, and I wouldn't need the FO Bible to say that, it is just logical that they would, because that what you do to survive nuclear war. It just a bonus that bible includes something that to me, is just common sense.

But, it is fact there are Enclave in Chicago. It is fact they have more than one outpost there. What is uknown is if they were already there or not. Maybe they came there after FO 2, maybe they been there the whole time. It is only speculation.

It is also fact that Obsidian wrote the game that confirms Enclave presence and more than one outpost in Chicago area, not Beth.

Also, FO3 only confirms only that this was first appearance of Enclave in capital wasteland, not the entire east coast.

I like debating with you, but you are extremely close minded on this subject. What ya need to do is say, if I was powerful shadow government, and threat of nuclear war is on the horizon, what would I do? Use your logic to answer that question, then let me know if you think Enclave still around, or if you just Enclave hater and want em done and buried.

Btw, Chicago is pretty far from California. Meaning, if DC can't communicate with Navarro, Chicago won't be able to either, so I doubt it a communication relay. And if they so few and struggling to survive, makes no sense to leave 5, 10, maybe 15 behind for some relay that gonna serve diddly squat.

Or, how about there already enclave there. It all speculation. Neither of us know.

I would like to see the Enclave again. They are the enemy that I love to hate. I can rely on them to do whatever is necessary to further their agenda. I'd also really like to see them in an area where they are strongly supported by the citizens of what ever area that may be. I know in past game they have been defeated and is said they have been defeated but with the kind of technology they have it seems unlikely they put all their eggs in one basket.

I dont want to see them. Include them again and they're going to end up as Fallout's Bowser, which is bloody ridiculous.

I want new villains every game. Not the same old crap over and over again.

You just made me change my mind, I... I don't... want them anymore :cryvaultboy:

They don't have to be the "main enemy". They just need to be a faction.

Who is main enemy in fonv? Who villain? Ohhhhh, main enemy is who you CHOOSE it to be.

Or are viper gunslingers main enemy?

Love them or hate them, if you chose to fight them, with FONV combat, they would be pretty tough. And a squad of 6 of them could turn the entire legion into goo.

I'd like to see their artifacts return, say..... a derelict old Enclave base. But honestly, contrary to the idea that the Brotherhood and Enclave are 'staple's' of the series, the two are at this point dead horses beaten soley for the sake of fan service. Though I DO like how the Enclave is not really encountered mandatorily in New Vegas.

Ok first, I don't want to get into the debate about that one line from the none-canon bible you and some others cling to. There is a topic on that already.

Logic as in what Fallout 2, Fallout 3 and New Vegas tell us. I support my statements with what we know about these game, what was said and shown in them.

I don't believe there is any Enclave outside of North America. One table in Fallout 2 with blinking lights and one line from the none-canon bible writen nine-ten years ago long before Bethesda's Fallout 3 was every thought of. Alot of things happened to the Enclave since, IE Fallout 3 and New Vegas.

Fallout 2 makes it clear there are no bases but Navarro. Fallout 3 tells us that the East was Enclave free till after Fallout 2. New Vegas mentions Chicago as only being an outpost. Maybe there are more outposts along the way but ED-E does not mention them. Its just Rock, Chicago and Navarro. Based on the Games themselves its safe to say Chicago was settled, re-manned while the Enclave were moving to DC.

Hey Styles, can you post a picture of this supposed table? It's not that I don't believe you, but I'm intrigued as to what table you mean.

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Heh that joke never gets old

Gonna have to agree with this. Lord of the Rings jokes never get old. Sadly no one noticed my Harry Potter joke I made a few days back :sadvaultboy:

I believe he means the Situation map in the Oil rig, next door to President Richardson. Pic under presidential level http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Oil_Rig (room with the big table, top right, the map on the wall)

The Resolution isnt really good enough to make out all the dots, but you can see several in europe, south america, and Asia if you zoom right in.

No, DC and the Capital Wasteland was Enclave free. There no other games on East coast so who knows, but it is safe to say there no Enclave in point lookout, the pitt, or on mothership zeta.

There is no data that says Enclave in Chicago were placed there on way east from Navarro or they were already there. That is pure speculation and guess. Also, it more than one outpost. Message from Ed-E is plural. And seeing how Ed-E has illinoiis license plate attached to his side, I would say he made contact.

You have no clue about Chicago cuz there been no rpg game there.

If DC area Enclave can communicate with Chicago, and be a relay as you suggest, there is no reason to put that recording on Ed-E when he can pick up radio and communicate "I'm sending Eyebot your way, send him on to Navarro".

From fallout 2 you have quote thanks to The Enclave where you lie and say you're from up north. If Navarro only base, that lie wouldn't work would it? You have always said all enclave soldiers know every detail about bases, etc, and if it how you say, and that only base, how did lie work? Is Chosen One a Jedi?

I may have to load up FO3, but it seems like a lot of NPC who only have lived in East know decent amount about the Enclave for this to be the first time they see them. Now, if Enclave only in Navarro and Rig, how would any npc besides BoS know a thing about Enclave?

Anyway, Chicago is pure speculation. If it was there before, formed from wc enclave, or what.

I don't have to clint to a statement. It is logical to do that, and I have figured that is exactly what they did before I even read it.

I just noticed I have been calling it a Table. Its a map on a wall in a room with a large table. Anyways http://www.project610.com/files/wall.png






For the 100th time. Fallout 2 makes it clear there are no bases other then Navarro. Fallout 3 says that the East was Enclave Free till the Remnants got there. New Vegas tells us the Enclave command fell apart and split up into three groups. One group stayed at Navarro, One group went to DC and the third group gave up and tried to make a new life in NCR only to be hunted by them and the BoS. If there were other bases out there then much of the Enclave would have just gone to the other bases. Or the other bases would have helped out at Navarro to keep it from falling.

That Quote from The Enclave is also speculation. You hear techs talking about a base up North but they don't know for sure. Good chance they were confusing Enclave going to Vault 13 and Mariposa as base building. There is also about the part about making up stuff as in you lie to them and they are morons and say "I knew it." Yeah real proof.

I already said they can't communicate, the very fact they send ED-E means they can't just talk over a computer. Also means they just can't get into a vertibird and fly there.

the enclave must come BACK!!!!!!!

Getting nuked three times should be enough to convince them to stop coming back.

And in three out of four main quests the main threat is the Legion. So I'd say they're the main villain of the game, except you get an option of joining them.

I agree with the first point here mate. But how does a lack of comm's equipment relate to weather or not they fly vertibirds there?

I can't speak french, yet I've been there?

They is dead, they were nuked three times each time was "the final blow", even the first one was supposed to be the finishig blow, but they came bac twice and were nuked 2 more times.







THEY IS DEAD

While I'm not an Enclave supporter (Obstensively Neutral), I'd like to point out the Remnants Bunker is no more than a refueling station, as I think Kreger is his name?, in any case, he mentioned that this base was a refueling depot. Now, THEORETICALLY, this means either A. There are a myriad of well hidden Enclave refueling depots all over the USA, Or, in the more likely scenario, there are Enclave refuel/resupply depots along the route to Enclave Bases. So perhaps there are more along http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii97/Martyr_of_Death/VertibirdRouteDiagram.jpg route in the diagram I just made. Now, I wasn't sure where the Oil Rig was at, but I assumed it was slightly southwest in direction of San Francisco. But Point 1 is Navarro/Fort Bragg, Point 2 is the Enclave vertibird refuel station, Point 3 is Chicago, and Point 4 is DC/Raven Rock. Now, along that route, there may concievably be more along this route. Which means they COULD, but the reason they send ED-E is because A. Vertibirds are in dire need in the D.C. campaign, or B. It's due to ED-Es top secret work, and they likely do not wish for the Brotherhood of Steel in D.C. to get their hands on such a valuable thing.

Vertibirds are Short range aircraft. It's been stated that they can't make a continuous journey from the oil rig, to Navarro and back with out refueling. AKA that was the whole point of Navarro base. SO you can't fly a Vertibird from Navarro, to Chicago, if you go my the info in game. They list the Oil rig was about 175 miles off the cost. So that make Vertibird range something less than 350 miles.