I honestly don't want to see the Enclave in any major capacity ever again. I felt that New Vegas' For Auld Lang Syne was an appropriate swan song for the Enclave; the Enclave were a shadow of their former selves in Fallout 3, and by the time of the next Fallout game they'll probably be in a similar (if not worse) state as the primary branch of the Brotherhood of Steel.

If Point Lookout is any indication, Fallout in the South would be really good.

Even if the Enclave return, the player should NEVER be able to join them outside of mods; the Enclave makes the Western BoS look welcoming of outsiders by comparison.

Oh man, not the Vertibird debate again.
Let's please not get into that, we've established that there is reason to question FO2's established Vertibird range (what's the exact line saying they have to refuel at Navarro, anyways?) thanks to FO3/NV canon, so let's just say they're "short range" without insisting on the rather absurd 350 mile maximum as the furthest they can go.

its not fair to the enclave to only get to destroy them cuz there way to interesting to just destroy and say thats all they get then throw them aside and i believe no faction is evil unless proven so and i dont see how being a good patriot is evil unless you hate the u.s.a same with talon company and caesars legion and all those other factions that have been branded evil cuz maby being evil is all they know and fallouts america is still america were evey one gets a second chance (i know the enclave have been in 2 and 3 but i dont consider 3 and 2 fair sense your forced to destroy them)

Thats exactly what I was thinking.

This is good, but Chicago is obviously more than a refuel station, because there are more than one outpost there.

There are few things I'm curious about. First, Eden says he has had no communication with west coast. But if DC Enclave are remnants, that doesn't make sense.

So when in FO3 does it say Enclave there are from Navarro? It been awhile since I play I'm gonna load up Enclave appearance at Purifier cause I wanna refresh what all said.

Chicago being relay makes no sense, and I don't understand why leave troops there if you can't communicate with them. What does makes sense to me is if Chicago Enclave already there, and they actually take some of them with them to DC, accounting for numbers in DC.

DC and capital wasteland is not the entire east coast. Appearing for first time in DC does not mean they haven't existed anyplace else in east coast.

Basically, where you getting this info of Enclave in DC are all from Rig/Navarro. They never been east? Cuz eden sure doesn't say that in talk.

But I'm about to play through right now.

Btw, I will say, okay, government is on rig. But, enclave is more than just government. Saying all the government on rig does not mean all enclave on rig, or that all enclave out west. Just the political leaders of enclave. You would still have military aspect, doctors, scientists, shadow ops guys, and good old fashioned rich folk.

I agree that the base in Chicago is a relay outpost/fueling station but nothing more. I don't think it is manned by hundreds if not thousands of Enclave. I think its manned by no more then a 20 people mostly scientists. It makes sense to set up relays on the way from Navarro to DC. Because they can't just talk using computers and Vertibirds don't have the ability to fly straight across the country without fueling and maintenance, hence the need to relay stations.

I am still hoping for a MWBoS under Barnaky/Enclave Remnant Alliance :shifty:

Well, cough, you don't know. There more than one outpost in Chicago. Why have multiple refuelling stations in same city?

Still no in game info how Enclave in DC are from California. BoS computer on Enclave only says they resemble west coast enclave in tech and gear. Lyons doesn't know anything cept that they have seen Enclave before.

It is all speculation and guess work. There is nothing in game that totally dismisses that there could not be enclave bases, outposts, scattered across USA. In fact, so far, it opposite. Enclave out west, in DC, have so far unconfirmed and unknown forces in Chicago, and who knows what else.

I don't expect some huge army, but you are severly underestimating what a powerful organization would do. Look at House. Hwe one person, a CEO, and he a major player. Robco wasn't even the most powerful corporation. You have Poseidon who has that claim, and General Atomics who right up there. Haven't seen their post war antics yet either, so I guess that means they don't exist? Meh.

Well I'm gonna run around FO3 and yap with people more, then load up reclaiming purifier. Feel free to let me know where you get this is only appearance of enclave in east and all enclave here are from out west.

so by what every one is saying that there might have been enclave in D.C that westcost didnt know about probably because of communication problems nd that there are refueling stations acrost america and that there is multiple outpost in chicago and maby small base? and that sense we no nothing about south the enclave could be there and as a main faction? this is all sooooooooo cunfusing and now my head hearts

It would make no sense... they've pretty much been decimated.

You're right. It also makes no strategical or tactical sense to spread youe organization across the USA, former Canada, Mexico, South America.

Nah, what makes sense is to gather everyone and put them on a oil rig, with thus, no means of escape if anything goes wrong, cuz we in middle of ocean. Makes sense.

Little known fact, if you zoom out as far as you can on fo 2 map, you can see bugs bunny holding a arrow next to oil rig with sign that says nuke here.

Anywho, just had chat with Autumn in game. He mentions nothing about West Coast, Navarro, or Rig.

Eden says has had no contact with west coast.

Sooooo, how do you know Enclave in FO 3 is remnants from oil rig/navarro and not from that area or someplace else?

Also, Autumn plan and Eden plan totally different. From sounds of things, Autumn does NOT want to release virus, but provide clean water. Sounds like split/switch in Enclave belief to me....

Okay, taking the Int approach, autumnn mentions west coast, eden assumed command, but he doesn't say he came from west coast.

well I would hope they haven't taken over the south. then they could go global because of the air port
PLEASE BETHESDA DONT LET THEM TAKE THE AIR PORT MY WHOLE FAMILY WORKS THERE
thats what I would say if this game was real. lmao

Wow. Because it was said beforehand, Autumn's father led the Enclave from Navarro to Raven Rock, read the wikia, info is there for a reason, besides mentioned in the OFFICIAL stratergy guide, infomation from which is used all characters, they said Eden was Richardon's Advisors, therefore contact at some point hence the whole justification for him being in charge.

Yeah well it also says on wikia that Enclave spread out globally pre war, but as Styles loves to point out, that isn't canon, and he also likes to say only in game refernces are what we can go by.

Well, from in game, Eden has had no contact with west coast, and it doesn't say there isn't Enclave anywhere else, and Autumn. Doesn't say jack about where troops came from.

I'm being Devils Advocate here, meaning, Enclave could have sent troops from several places, including Navarro to the DC area.

Plus, where the older Enclave? It roughly 30 years, so if Autumn dad came with Enclave I'm sure it wasn't a vertibird full of babies. Yet, they all pretty young, 20-30.

Hopefully you see the point I'm trying to make....

ok just that first sentence should make me knock your teeth threw.
there are a few facts you should know about the south
the united states strongest military bases are planted here.
Most of the soldiers are from the south in the first place
Theirs hearts field that controls a large amount of income
Just asking but if it controls income wouldn't they try and protected it.

Yeah of course I get the point, I just don't like it or F3's shocking inconsistancies, they're are only two old guys in the Enclave in it, Autumn and a scripted officer from project purity.

@Catfish those military bases are nuked and the Enclave doesn't recruit from outside, they're is no strategic value there for a dying organisation.

Lol. The sentence you quoted from me was sarcasm. Also, when I mentioned South America, I was referring to the continent, ya know, brazil, etc.

Had nothing to do with southern united states. My point was sarcasm, meaning that it makes logical sense for the enclave to spread out, as much as possible.

See, I'm not asking for Enclave to be some super army that is insane powerful. That, to me, makes as much sense as to make the opposite spectrum arguement that they are dead and gone.

I'm fairly open minded person, and I listen to other views, if it makes sense.

What is said in bible about spreading out, makes sense. And it makes sense that enclave are scattered around, with varying degrees of power. How many, what goals and plans are, etc etc is to be determined, and hopefully we can play it out.

oh sorry
Im defensive over my home land on any subject
sorry for the misunderstanding

and its hard to read Sarcasm in text lol

Well, I won't assume what Chicagos location was for, what my diagram is meaning is, based on what we know about Enclave bases so far, there may be refueling depots (likely unmanned if we go by the fact Kreeger used the one in Vegas as a storage depot for all their Enclave junk.) But if Chicago was a huge military base of the Enclave, I'd be surprised if the MWBoS hasn't killed all of them, if not turned them into a small cluster akin to New Vegas's Remnants. I have no problem with the Enclave returning as a 'faded glory' faction. But not as a massive powerhouse anytime soon.

all i wont is a struggling enclave base that is forced to go against its code to recruit people to sace its self and then recruit you yo help them and the size of there base should be about the size of a fort costaintain or how ever you spell it that as maby 25 in between 35 troops including about five scientists and a few robots and 2 between 5 virtabirds with there own special combat armer for reguler soldiers and power amer MK 1 for sergeants and only prototype MK 2 and reguler soldiers get small arms ranging from pistols to shout guns to smgs and assault rifles to snipers and rocket lonchers and light machine guns and miniguns and sergeants get energy weapons and maby a few deathclaws IS THISE TO MUCH TO ASK FOR!?!

In a word? Yes, it is. The Enclave is more or less busto. The Enclave clearly has no chance to survive at this point, it's best to let them fade into the whispers of the past.

Well, Chicago is huge city. If Enclave underground, which they more than likely are, and seeing how from my take of Tactics, mwbos starts chicago are, then moves all over the place, it very plausible they never saw them or knew they were there. Which seeing how Ed-E made contact, obviously they are there and still kiicking.

Then, from in game info, there is obviously a difference in opinion between military aspect of Enclave and political aspect. This is evident by conversation with Autumn at Project Purity, who obviously wants to use the purifier to make clean water and not release the FEV virus. Oh no! Not in game evidence the Enclave aren't looking to kill every person! Wha????? End sarcasm.

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In a word? Yes, it is. The Enclave is more or less busto. The Enclave clearly has no chance to survive at this point, it's best to let them fade into the whispers of the past.
no it is not to much to ask because i forgot to mention that there not a main faction but more like the great kons in New Vegas and they probably have bases through out america that just arnt able to communicate with other bases and dont say that most of enclave was at oil rig because the rig is just were prez and other people how were in the cabnit

Did the Enclave have other bases throughout the United States? Most likely. But after the destruction of two presidents, three bases, what few Enclave troops remain are at this point likely going to remain hidden, or try to adapt and settle into wasteland life. The Enclave, just like the Brotherhood, are at this point horribly efficient. Despite their superior armor and weapons. they get their American flag stamped butts handed to them by a tribal and a 19 year old kid from a Vault. If that doesn't scream incompetence, I don't know what does.

What about just throwing the enclave a bone?
there are few of them now and it be cool if some enclave members became assassins. Being there past was erased and there future is broken not much to do but become a shadow. A role as assassins would be cool. Im sure there power armor could be equipped with a stealth boy. A they would look beast wearing a robe and cape.
The EnBrew. ok the name needs working but well think of something.




and Colonel Martyr
as Iv stated before we dont know if they had a station in the south. Its very likely and if its true they may of been having trouble with communication it would make sense if the southern enclave had no idea of the defeats in the north and west.