So you take a game over a book?... nvm. Respect the source...or at least the most in depth source in the Halo Series case.

aznassassin158, You stop taking me seriously...... dude, really, my point is that gauss tech is stronger than your so called anti tank missile
But my point is that the Gauss Rifle isn't stronger. Great job completely missing it. And I never denied that Gauss tech was stronger than an anti-tank round; I said that anti-tank missile is stronger than the Gauss rifle, which it is. Otherwise I could just use a few Gauss Rounds when I fight the Pinger, rather than having to run around the place trying to find JAWs.

you contradict yourself by even saying Alcatraz takes it to the chest
How is it a contradiction when I said Alcatraz took it to the chest? I asked for proof that Alcatraz could survive a Gauss round to the head, and you have yet to give it to me! Hell, Spartacus can attest to that fact that Lockhart didn't hit Alcatraz in the face.

another thing, you do know emp's don't wipe out electronics, they distort magnetism, which is what essentially what powers our electronics
No it doesn't. It causes an enormous current surge that ultimately burns out whatever source was powering a circuit. Great job paying attention in High School physics. But then again, you thought a Gauss rifle round was stronger than an anti-tank rocket and that the M69 Gauss Cannon is as strong as the M2014, so it's quite evident that your knowledge of physics and kinetics is a bit flawed, if not completely back-asswards.

last time i checked, the N2 was semi organic, and not clearly shown to be powered by electricity
If it's not powered by electricity, why was Alcatraz suddenly weakened when Lockheart "powered him down" or when he was on the ground completely immobile when the Hargreave trapped him with EMP? Oh yeah, that's right, did I mention I played Crysis 2 and I know all this stuff? No? Oh well, continue thinking that I didn't; it just makes this argument all the funnier.

chief however has a fusion core backpack, which i have no idea how he manages to extract power from, but is shown to be susceptible to an emp.
His suit is hardened from EMP, which explains why his armor doesn't completely shut down when exposed to a power drain.

Alcatraz's suit shouldn't flinch if it is truly considered "alive."
Again, refer to the scenario when Lockheart shut the suit off by surging electricity through it, and Hargreave doing the similar by shocking him with a million billion gigawats.

And read it again, i didn't say he cant run and shield at the same time, i said he cant armor lock and sprint without swapping suit modules.
Chief doesn't even use armor abilities, so no need to beat that dead horse. I'm leaving Halo Reach mechanics out of this, since I have no idea if armor powers even work on the Chief since the Spartans in Reach use different armor than the Mark VI (ie: they lack the Chief's biofoam injector implants).

And for the last time, read it right, kicking a car does not deplete energy, try it, or maybe cant since you don't actually own Crysis 2
Okay, after playing again, yes, you can kick a car without depleting energy. Point for you; Epic fail on my part. Still, it doesn't explain how your energy depletes after you do a power punch, because I know for a fact that doing a power punch depleted energy.

And I'll just prepare for your inevitable tirade about how I never played Crysis 2, just because I forgot one single gameplay mechanic because I only used it once in the entire campaign.

and another, the gauss rifle isnt considered a sniper
Right, because it's classified as a "sniper rifle" in Crysis 2 just to screw with us, right?

its an annihilator that sends even nano soldiers flying across the map, oh wait, but you haven't played crysis wars, you don't know anything about that.
The Gauss Rifle in Warhead and the M2014 in Crysis 2 are different weapons, smart one. The Gauss Rifle in Crysis Warhead was a bolt-action rifle that fired at Mach 8, while the M2014 was semiautomatic anti-material rifle. Oh right, my knowledge of Crysis is severely limited, right? Just because I falsely remembered that a car kick depletes energy?

Your afraid that someone actually knows about both heroes, and your trying to back up the what you prefer and not the facts on paper.
Keep thinking that if it helps you sleep at night, skippy.]

Just had to weight in about the "power source"

Power Sources for the N2 Armor:
-Kinetic (his own movement... in other words recycles energy used while moving)
-Solar
-Any normal commercial or industrial plug he can use a... sting is the best thing to describe it to... fiddle with the plug. Of course it gives the suit an extra amount of charge beyond the 100 energy bars. but blows the fuses of the entire block he is in... or many surrounding it lol
-The Suit has a... somewhat miniature "probe" up his ass. not a big ass pole but. ... ugh "big" enough to use his own body wastes as energy if needed. Although this only applies to individuals who eat while wearing the armor. In alcatraz's case not much use for it.

Skippy right,......... EMP, unfortunately between my high school physics, you mind telling me if my thought of magnetism is wrong, why there are dead zones in the poles, north and south and around some places of the world, oh thats right these places surge to much electricity,.......... which allows for even the most logical idiot to survey thats retarded, why they cant use electronics, no magnetic field, which brings up why they only use diesel trucks? Oh thats right, Diesel doesn't use Magnetic Coils to amplify 12v in to a conveyable source to make enough juice for a spark plug to jolt between gaps and ignite fuel, it uses high compression with the assistance of a turbo charger...... every modern reasonable electronic uses some form of a coil to operate, yes, well aside from straying aside topic, i tried proving my point. Your thinking of your imaginary halo emp, which somehow, Jr. you think is over pulsing Electricity to electronics, which is exactly why it is does harm to humans right? What last time I checked humans have a resistance of like what 20v to the skin? Real world emps absorb magnetism, which is why they drain power. And again, tapping kick still flips a car, without draining, say what you want, but clearly you haven't tried it. And no chiefs power drains, they should have made it more plausible and made them actually walk slower when drained, because thats exactly whats happening, a power drain, who knows, maybe he just so strong he can move his armor without its assistance, Furthermore, you forget we never see what Lockhart does to his suit to shut him down, the emp is understandable, with the kajillion volts, but you forget, his suit reboots and actually vectors enhancements and even furthermore bonds with Alcatraz, and what are you going to tell me chief would have survived that? And if it is a kajillion volts, please, even metal would have had less resistance and melted, further more strengthens my argument that Alcatraz can take more **** than the chief can. Again the M2014 is a sniper because they had to stick it somewhere, in Crysis wars, its a prototype weapon, and its that, a special weapon, and yes the M2014 is weaker than the M69, but thats a technical standpoint from the developers because the M69 was considered a noob weapon in wars of being so easy to get kills. And another thing, im not saying the M2014 is stronger than the antitank round, even then your comparing a handheld weapon to that of one mounted on a damn ship, which sadly you even agreed to say frigates desamate even covenant cruisers, better yet compare a M2014 to a Dsg, that would be a fair comparison between technologies. Both are handhelds, and not mounted. And then again, I say to the face, because its a euphonious way, to just saying he got struck, a little radical yes, but in no way literal as to if i said kicked his ass, no he really doesn't kick his Ass cheeks. He just beats him to a literal pulp.

And one more thing, you keep leaving out certain traits in our past arguments that seem to make Alcatraz stronger, which just unfortunately your narrowing yourself into a corner. And you keep editing your posts, are you somewhat uncomfortable with what you type?

Just had to weight in about the "power source"

Power Sources for the N2 Armor:
-Kinetic (his own movement... in other words recycles energy used while moving)
-Solar
-Any normal commercial or industrial plug he can use a... sting is the best thing to describe it to... fiddle with the plug. Of course it gives the suit an extra amount of charge beyond the 100 energy bars. but blows the fuses of the entire block he is in... or many surrounding it lol
-The Suit has a... somewhat miniature "probe" up his ass. not a big ass pole but. ... ugh "big" enough to use his own body wastes as energy if needed. Although this only applies to individuals who eat while wearing the armor. In alcatraz's case not much use for it.

So if he stands still in the middle of the woods at night, and he hasnt eaten anything for a week, his suit is going to power off?

EMP, unfortunately between my high school physics, you mind telling me if my thought of magnetism is wrong, why there are dead zones in the poles, north and south and around some places of the world, oh thats right these places surge to much electricity, which allows for even the most logical idiot to survey thats why they cant use electronics, which brings up why they only use diesel trucks? Oh thats right, Diesel doesn't use Magnetic Coils to amplify 12v in to a conveyable source to make enough juice for a spark plug to jolt between gaps and ignite fuel, it uses high compression with the assistance of a turbo charger...... yes, well aside from straying aside topic, i tried proving my point.
Uh, those zones aren't associated with EMP...

Your thinking of your imaginary halo emp, which somehow, Jr. you think is over pulsing Electricity to electronics, which is exactly why it is does harm to humans right? What last time I checked humans have a resistance of like what 20v to the skin?
Too bad Resistance isn't measured in volts; it's measured in Ohms. Fail.

And humans are hardly electricity resistant; if the Power drain surges enough electricity to go through the insulators in a vehicle and disable it, I can guaran-damn-tee you it can surge and hurt a human, too.

And again, tapping kick still flips a car, without draining, say what you want, but clearly you haven't tried it.
No, I never tried it. If I ever get the time to, I'll let you know if just regularly meleeing a car will flip it.

And no chiefs power drains, they should have made it more plausible and made them actually walk slower when drained, because thats exactly whats happening, a power drain, who knows, maybe he just so strong he can move his armor without its assistance
Well, if you insist that Chief can haul around half a ton of dead weight without any assistance....

Furthermore, you forget we never see what Lockhart does to his suit to shut him down
Well, I saw him flick a switch, and I saw electricity course through the bands that were holding Alcatraz's wrists...best logical explanation: electrical surge.

And if it is a kajillion volts, please, even metal would have had less resistance and melted, further more strengthens my argument that Alcatraz can take more **** than the chief can.
It was a hyperbole. That should have been evident when I said "gajillion".

Again the M2014 is a sniper because they had to stick it somewhere
What, was "Heavy Weapon" too broad a weapon classification?

in Crysis wars, its a prototype weapon, and its that, a special weapon, and yes the M2014 is weaker than the M69, but thats a technical standpoint from the developers because the M69 was considered a noob weapon in wars of being so easy to get kills.
Then don't equivocate the two weapons. You saying that the Chief can't take a Gauss rifle round just because he can't take an M69 round is like saying the Chief can't take a grenade because he couldn't take a thermonuclear warhead.

And another thing, im not saying the M2014 is stronger than the antitank round, even then your comparing a handheld weapon to that of one mounted on a damn ship
Hey, you're the one who brought up the MAC cannon. I never even considered bringing it up, since I knew the M2014 can't even compare to the MAC.

which sadly you even agreed to say frigates desamate even covenant cruisers
Well...yeah, they can. The Iroquois sure did, although I forgot if it was a destroyer or a frigate. I don't see why it's sad that I agreed with that when it's a known fact to anyone who knows a shred of Halo lore.

And then again, I say to the face, because its a euphonious way, to just saying he got struck, a little radical yes, but in no way literal as to if i said kicked his ass, no he really doesn't kick his Ass cheeks. He just beats him to a literal pulp.
Glad we go that out of the way.

And one more thing, you keep leaving out certain traits in our past arguments that seem to make Alcatraz stronger, which just unfortunately your narrowing yourself into a corner.
What "points" am I leaving out? The only point that I intentionally didn't respond to was Alcatraz's armor reactivity and evolutionary functions. And it was because I did not have a counter to that.

Besides, you're leaving some points out yourself. What ever happened to your response to Alcatraz depleting his energy when he throws a power punch by holding the melee button?

And you keep editing your posts, are you somewhat uncomfortable with what you type?
No. I just keep correcting spelling/grammar errors that I accidentally make in order to make my arguments easier to read. Great to see that you don't.

SpartacusMaximus was right, this is going nowhere.

Its wonderful to see your backing down, Ill go down the list, yes Dead zones are EMP's, Remember the "M" in EMP stands for Magnetic, it deals with magnetism, which then concluded to earths magnetic field, yes fail on me for not remembering ohms, so then according to your response, EMP blast are used to kill everyone in the vicinity of the blast and not just wipe out all electronics. I really don't care about the classification, everyone in the past still knows the gauss rifle can swap sights, but ultimately is justs used for sniping, thats the users choice, and yes you do compare the 2 rifles, saying the M2014 is a joke, but not when compared to a Dsg right? You commented you didn't try the kick, then lets see..... I commented that Chief cant take a Gauss round in either game, but somehow Alcatraz manages to, your assumption that Lockhart powered off with some electric device isn't enough to prove your point, once again, i'm not comparing weapons, just saying gauss tech is stronger than explosives, the Frigate metaphor was just an example to prove gauss is stronger than "missiles." Which is why the UNSC chose Gauss over explosives. The one to a pulp is chief on the floor, the power punch i don't care about depletion, because once executes send anything, anything flying across the map, chief cant even punch a grunt further than 5 feet. And if your going to make an argument, make sure you don't leave room for error.

And another thing this thread is an argumentive one, saying who is better, if you feel this conversation is going nowhere, i suggest you just not post any longer if you feel theres no more reason to.

Just had to weight in about the "power source"

Power Sources for the N2 Armor:
-Kinetic (his own movement... in other words recycles energy used while moving)
-Solar
-Any normal commercial or industrial plug he can use a... sting is the best thing to describe it to... fiddle with the plug. Of course it gives the suit an extra amount of charge beyond the 100 energy bars. but blows the fuses of the entire block he is in... or many surrounding it lol
-The Suit has a... somewhat miniature "probe" up his ass. not a big ass pole but. ... ugh "big" enough to use his own body wastes as energy if needed. Although this only applies to individuals who eat while wearing the armor. In alcatraz's case not much use for it.

So if he stands still in the middle of the woods at night, and he hasnt eaten anything for a week, his suit is going to power off?


Not really His suit basic energy comes from Hydrogen cells. ANything extra is just a faster recharge. The suit is after all a copy. You can copy things piece by piece. You know how to copy em but you dont know how they work individually. You might take a piece of here and there and then the suit doesn't work. So you put em right back.

So for now the suit only does 1 thing. it either recharges or uses its charge.

If more power is given to the suit the faster it can recharge. How fast it spends its energy is always the same from what I understand.

Nice, the dude runs on water. Assuming its Hydrogen Fuel Cells?

We all know it.



Yes. He wins. The almighty NS1.

EDIT: Forget to mention, g_godmode 1. NS can't die. /Trollin'

Duke Nukem.

Overrated. Lo Wang and *especially* Caleb are the most badass VGcharacters ever.

Nice, the dude runs on water. Assuming its Hydrogen Fuel Cells?

No hydrogen Cells "waste" is pure water. its inaccurate to say it "runs on water".

Basically to put it simply. there are two tubes one has Hydrogen pass through it, the other has Oxygen pass through it. Through a chemical process and minimal electrical input the process merges both of the atoms. Which unleashes energy that is used. The waste by product of this system is pure water.

And well most abundant component in our planet is hydrogen... and oxygen is not in short supply either so its efficient.

prophet, master chief is for xbox and for one xbox is always last in my book ps3 for the win please dont hate if you dis like ps3

lol console fanatics. They all got good and bad things. Personally I would have kept my ps3. but ps3 gamers have it near impossible to mod their games. And when it comes to RPG's I got to mod otherwise it gets boring after the first pure playthrough.

Prophet. -Cough- Maximum Strength -cough-

How would the Nanosuit 2.0 handle a needler ??

hmm.
Deflection

Well, when Alcatraz inserted the final thing to create a vaccine in Crysis 2 into himself through the suit, it didn't deflect it.


My thought is this.

The needler is an energy based weapon. I uses some kinda crystal projectlie, but since it can pierce MC's shields and STICK in his armor?? I'm thinking NS2 wouldn't fair much better. The Ceph's claws do a number on the NS2. It's totally impervious. It IS ablative ... that means basically it sloughs off bits of armor. If there were not the case, the suit wouldn't need energy to reconstitute armor micro scales... or whatever those little bumpy things are.

Like I said, just my thoughts. Great discussion btw if not just a bit silly.

The Needle was a normal needle. The vial contained the Tunguska iteration a still unknown substance which was able to be isolated form the suit without compromising its overall fuctions. The Suit knew what the substance was and knew that it needed it to finish the entire assimilation process.

NOt much data is available on what it was. But the needle was nothing special, normal... although outdate needle. The suit was expecting it so it didn't reject the intrusion, both of the substance nor of the needle itself.

Son Goku would kick everybodies ass in a bar fight.
ka-me-ha-me HA!!!!!!!!

NANO SUIT all the way. the marc 5 does not compare to the capabilities of the nano suit.especially with all the catalyst modules he could incorparate into the fight. and lets not forget you can power kick with nano. so invisibility run behind chief and power kick him off a builiding then drop down on him with a air stomp. nano would woop the the chief. and of course cheif would win without the suit. cause alcatrez is already dead you jerkoffs. go back to your halo forum and praise master cheif their

Seriously, what's the point of this? They're just fictional (and virtual) characters, and even from different games. Who cares?

Seriously, what's the point of this? They're just fictional (and virtual) characters, and even from different games. Who cares?
Just don't read it . For some people like me this is interesting.

NANO SUIT all the way. the marc 5 does not compare to the capabilities of the nano suit.especially with all the catalyst modules he could incorparate into the fight. and lets not forget you can power kick with nano. so invisibility run behind chief and power kick him off a builiding then drop down on him with a air stomp. nano would woop the the chief. and of course cheif would win without the suit. cause alcatrez is already dead you jerkoffs. go back to your halo forum and praise master cheif their
Nano catalyst is great, but I doubt that Prophet would be doing anything with his loadout when a fight is about to start. Even if he is, the Chief has a motion tracker. Power kick would only deplete Chief's shields, nothing more. And don't forget Prophet can't stomp on the Master Chief until his energy's recharged, by which time the Chief would no longer be in the same place.

Before you start flaming, realize that Crysis 2 is set in 2023 and Halo Reach is set in 2552. Prophet vs. Master Chief is like Renaissance vs. 21st Century. Ezio wouldn't be able to take down a well-trained and well-equipped modern soldier now, would he?

This mite be of topic,


I think at the end was kind of eh.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

A- The work done on it was.... aw inspiring I mean wow!!!!!!!!!!.

B-.... japanese tendency of "high speed ninja" crap is all over it. Took away from the immersion though. Smoke popping and **** was.... just not for crysis and gears

C- last mistake was actually making it between crysis and gears. Like rigging a fight between SuperMan and Green Arrow... CRysis and Halo, or Crysis and Vanguard would have made sense.

Overall man wow his knowledge on animation is awesome. That alone would appeal to the japanese audience in no time flat.

Western... need to add a bit of "common sense" to the sci fi lol. No popping smoke would solve most of it.

Either way awesome, just awesome.

...and you clearly take this too seriously.