I'm testing the idea of having Vivec assassinated in my mod and need to know who, at the time of Elder Scrolls 3(Morrowind) would be powerful enough to kill VIvec who I might add is already weakened by having no contact with the Heart of Lorkan for so long?

Divayth Fyr? Any Imperials? Some other Telvanni wizard lord? Almalexia could. Hircine could. An Imperial would be nice .

The Nerevarine was guided by prophecy. That always works.

The important question is if Vivec has achieved Chim or not. If he has he cannot be killed.

if he can be killed then anyone with enough power could do it.

The Nerevarine can and in many cases, did.

Sometimes the Nerevarine kills him, but not usually. Tribunal members have been known to banish Daedric Princes, but it's a close fight. Now that the tribbles are weakened, there are several dps who could kill them. Telvanni Wizard Lords? Maybe. And some would have a motive. Divayth is known to be bad-ass, but assasination isn't his style. There are also Altmer Wizzies who might be able.

The only way this will work is if you assume Vivec is not a god without the heart and even then it's very doubtful that any could. The Nerevarine was immensly powerful even without any aid, so he or she managed to kill two gods, but that wouldn't work in a mod where Vivec is assassinated. A Tribunal member might be able too, but Almalexia already killed Sotha Sil and we know for a fact Vivec was still alive by that time.

An insanely powerful mage like Divayth Fyr might have a chance, but that's far from sure because even without the Heart Vivec would be incredibly powerful, your best bet would be some kind of order of assassins working together, or perhaps a Daedric prince who somehow managed to get to Tamriel with their full power.

The problem with Divayth Fyr is why would he even try? I really can't see him holding a sufficient grudge against any of the tribunal to even bother.


Also, what stops Vivec from doing that never really being dead trick he mentions in his dialogue? Is this mod going to take place solely after the MQ?

As for who could, I'd imagine that any of the four corners could give it a good go, as well as the PC. I doubt the run of the mill telvanni wizard would have much luck, and a group of very powerful assassins might have a chance.

Hell if I know, but it's at least somebody that might have a chance...

The Nerevarine certainly has a chance of kicking his ass and Molag Bal would want to.

But careful, Vivec is a sneaky one. Might even be able to stare through the one's thoughts.

Vivec CHIMed Auto-Life onto his soul.

Nerevarine could kill him. I'd go with making your mod into a quest to murder Vehk and Vehk with love. Or not.

An Imperial? Well, technically the Nerevarine is an Imperial (in the political sense).

But Imperial, writ-large, I dunno; The Eternal Champion?

nvm

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Wulf, maybe?

M'aiq could do it, yes. But he won't, because he doesn't feel like it.

Azura probably got him. The Fall of Ald'Ruhn by MK suggests that she lent her Winged Twilights to Dagon's forces during the Oblivion invasion, probably with the stipulation that they'd capture and turn over Vivec to her. I like to think that Vehk went along with all this right up to the point where he's brought before Azura. But before Azura could even mutter a curse or torture in his name, he said "I am everything and hence nothing!" and zero summed, knowing that ridding the daedric prince forever of any possible revenge, especially when she was so close, was probably the worst thing you could have done.

Yeah...

Isn't it possible to lose CHIM, since it's a very delicate thing that requires much concentration to maintain? If true, then saying he has CHIM and thus unkillable wouldn't be a valid argument. Of course, Vivec the Mortal isn't quite a pushover either.

Yeah, the problem with 'killing' Vivec is that even if you disregard CHIM and whether its the reason he can do it or not (he neglects to mention whether the ability to sleep and wake is from the Heart, or elsewhere, since as his power wanes he notes it is harder to juggle allt he tasks he used to), when you converse with him he basically explains that when you kill him in game... he can just choose to wake up and he is alive again. Or to put it in our terms, he can reload a save. =P

If this doesn't come from CHIM, this could also apply to Almalexia and Sotha Sil. And Dagoth Ur... well, multiple people, Vivec and Nibani, both ponder if its even possible to kill him (how can a dead god be slain?). If I recall correctly you don't actually destroy the Heart, but 'banish'/send it elsewhere, at which point Ur is probobly just elsewhere too - and asleep and disgruntled. I find Morrowind amusing in that pretty much every god-king/queen you fight might just re-appear when you leave the room and have a good chuckle.

What if we corrupted his hard drive?

EDIT: If you know what I mean.

Why not Eno Hlaalu.

Vivec seemed totally cool with being stabbed & bleeding out and all that. When you kill him in MW, he has it within his power to come back to life, he just chooses not too. You really need to look to personality features, not power levels. If a dude was cool enough, and asked nicely, Vivec would probably let that dude kill him.

If I were you, I'd have the assassin be a Buoyant Armiger who was worried about disappointing his children, and the legacy of deeds he was going to leave behind. Vivec let this Armiger kill him so that this Armiger could tell his kids, "Hey, I'm an important dude. I killed a god! Respect me, and eat your broccoli!"

Vivec's "respawn" is immediate, within real time he is unable to postpone it (as you suggest). Even if he 'chose not to' for a long period of time, that period of time applies only to him - the waking world would see him instantly return. Thus, the fact that he doesn't instantly respawn (as he himself descibes the process occuring), means that he is dead for good when you kill him.

At the point we see him at during Morrowind's finale, he is downpowered to the point of being incapable of this feat.

And as regards the question at hand, I think skill is more important than power.

Oops. Sorry, I hadn't actually read that whole dialog in about two years.

A badass Dremora? Like a Valkyn level assassin. There have to be some lesser Daedra who are still more powerful than even Divayth. The lesser Daedra have literally been around forever, and there are so many that some should have reached levels of power similar to the best of mortals. You could pretty much make up a character for that.

You say that with your Serious Face so that we know that you speak seriously.

Wow. I've been playing this game for years and I never knew about Wulf. This may be the best bet to fit in with my mod.


I had to eswiki that term. Yeah, they could be candidates.

I need a way for the Imperials to plausibly kill Vivec when he is at his weakest, before he Chims. Perhaps some conjurers with Azura's help conjure some Daedra. Surely the Imps have some immortal heroes. How have they conquered all of Tamriel otherwise with no heroes?

How are you going to explain a fight between an avater of Talos and Vivec fighting? What is their reason for it? I just don't see it.

I think Vivec also achieved CHIM long before the Nerevarine arrived in Morrowind so that might be impossible. However even if Vivec has CHIM it doesn't mean he will fight and be back to bother you. I think the best explanation given in this thread was by MinotuarWarrior, Vivec could give up his life if somebody just asked him nicely, although I'd give the murderer a different reason then suggested there. Alternatively perhaps a pawn of Azura killed him, but that would only work if he allowed himself be killed.