Who do you consider your personal nemesis?

Post » Sun Nov 25, 2012 10:04 pm

Ahem...

"Let's give this topic a break for a bit, and not start a new thread right away, alright?"

- nu_clear_day
- http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1410911-justifying-a-female-courier-siding-with-the-legion/page__st__180__p__21581507#entry21581507

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't the moderator tell us forum users 'not' to discuss Legion for a while?
Instead of starting up a Part Deux of that thread the discussion seems to migrate here.
Not only that, but this is turning into a Legion debate rather than a "who is your personal nemesis" discussion.
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Post » Sun Nov 25, 2012 9:18 pm

Ahem...

"Let's give this topic a break for a bit, and not start a new thread right away, alright?"

- nu_clear_day
- http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1410911-justifying-a-female-courier-siding-with-the-legion/page__st__180__p__21581507#entry21581507

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't the moderator tell us forum users 'not' to discuss Legion for a while?
Instead of starting up a Part Deux of that thread the discussion seems to migrate here.
Not only that, but this is turning into a Legion debate rather than a "who is your personal nemesis" discussion.

Yeah, back on topic please.
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Post » Mon Nov 26, 2012 1:41 am

Cassandra Moore is worse than Oliver. Oliver at least only gets where he does by having powerful friends; Moore is actively evil and petty and uses the resources at her hand to brutalize people she has personal grudges against; that makes her a bad commander.
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Post » Mon Nov 26, 2012 12:03 am

Cassandra Moore is worse than Oliver. Oliver at least only gets where he does by having powerful friends; Moore is actively evil and petty and uses the resources at her hand to brutalize people she has personal grudges against; that makes her a bad commander.

Nah, I don't think so. Moore may be brutal but she is right. She asks you to destroy the Khans, Mr. House, the Brotherhood of Steel, and stop the Omertas plans. All four of these are fairly significant threats against the NCR. Her leadership coupled with the Couriers abilities do make a difference in the end.
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Post » Sun Nov 25, 2012 1:56 pm

Courier 3 that rat bastard! I voted Benny.
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Post » Mon Nov 26, 2012 3:11 am

Cassandra Moore is worse than Oliver. Oliver at least only gets where he does by having powerful friends; Moore is actively evil and petty and uses the resources at her hand to brutalize people she has personal grudges against; that makes her a bad commander.

I agree

Nah, I don't think so. Moore may be brutal but she is right. She asks you to destroy the Khans, Mr. House, the Brotherhood of Steel, and stop the Omertas plans. All four of these are fairly significant threats against the NCR. Her leadership coupled with the Couriers abilities do make a difference in the end.

She pretty much 'orders' you to destroy them. and whenever you propose a peaceful solution she just scoffs and mocks you (even when a peaceful solution is completely possible for some of them).
She would much rather you wipe out the entire Mojave BoS chapter than have them help against the Legion. That to me says she's letting her personal grudges dictate what she does.
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Post » Sun Nov 25, 2012 10:42 pm

I voted Caesar, since I basically always kill him, except when I play a Legion play through. In real life, I am against slavery. I do like the actual Roman empire, but the problem I see with Caesar's legion in New Vegas, is all they have is the military part down. Before Julius Caesar became the leader of Rome, Rome had existed for a few hundred years, and all ready had infrastructure, government, and a small economy. Caesar in New Vegas is basically starting from the ground up, using tribals that (I believe) only follow Caesar's will, and his alone. I believe if Caesar was to conquer the NCR, and make New Vegas his rome, but died after that, I believe that, like the real roman empire, it will split in two, and probably be swallowed up by some other groups. However, Legatus Lanius is one bad ass dude, and seems to be quite smart (from the end game talks with him). Thats generally my problem with Caesar and his Legion

I am with the NCR, but I do agree Kimball is an imperialist, that has no idea how to lead his country, and Oliver is a terrible general, but good friend of Kimball's. I'd rather Colonel Jsu be the general, and just maybe, they could actually do more productive things in the wasteland. NCR has country and people, but lacks good leadership, which is what it needs

I am neutral to Mr. House, though he says that he can get humanity to do all this great, crazy stuff, I believe he wouldn't be able to, even if he tried. Since his army is robots, all thats needed is some form of EMP, and I doubt he would be able to keep Vegas under control.

Benny is....well, Benny. He shot you in the head...twice...I generally just kill him, and get it over with,so, no pain in my side.

Ulyssus I see as one of the most awesome guys in the game. He saw a place he figured could bring back America, a place that he had hope in, and loved, then the Courier accidently blew it up. The guy was extremely angry, and did take it a bit too far, threatening to blow up people with nuclear missiles, but, I let him live. Pretty awesome dude in my opinion.

Father Elijah, is just eh. Dead Money was a [censored], but the reward (gold bars, and gambling and getting all that prewar money) was pretty good, so I somewhat forgave him.
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Post » Sun Nov 25, 2012 2:30 pm

bloatflys :devil:
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Post » Mon Nov 26, 2012 3:11 am

the NCR. because its only a matter of time before they have a privately owned centralized bank. they already have paper money.
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Post » Sun Nov 25, 2012 2:12 pm

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I am with the NCR, but I do agree Kimball is an imperialist, that has no idea how to lead his country, and Oliver is a terrible general, but good friend of Kimball's. I'd rather Colonel Jsu be the general, and just maybe, they could actually do more productive things in the wasteland. NCR has country and people, but lacks good leadership, which is what it needs
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Col. Hsu is one of the few NCR officers i actually liked, but surely he'd make a terrible general. i mean, he can't even manage camp mccarren. Fiends on the doorstep, food problems, intelligence leaks, the problems with contreras, and he sent a ranger to his death (2 if you count Morales. not sure if that was his order though) How's he going to sort out the rest of the NCR? :P
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Post » Sun Nov 25, 2012 8:23 pm

my personal nemsis is... all the important peaple in the game with rares. seriously, i always try to get as many rares as i can in playthroughs, but i can never get sterlings rifle.... i know i can just kill him after all the quests but i dont kill peaple with A. hats B. moustache beard thingys and . accents. dont ask.
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Post » Sun Nov 25, 2012 1:13 pm

Col. Hsu is one of the few NCR officers i actually liked, but surely he'd make a terrible general. i mean, he can't even manage camp mccarren. Fiends on the doorstep, food problems, intelligence leaks, the problems with contreras, and he sent a ranger to his death (2 if you count Morales. not sure if that was his order though) How's he going to sort out the rest of the NCR? :tongue:

I don't see why they don't just make a Ranger the general of the NCR army in the Mojave. Not Chief Hanlon for pretty obvious reasons, but the Rangers are shrewd fighters and scouts, and know how the land works. They know everything and everyone in the Mojave. Obviously that doesn't instantly translate into instant success as a leader, but that's gotta be better than that idiot Oliver.
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Post » Mon Nov 26, 2012 1:23 am

the NCR. because its only a matter of time before they have a privately owned centralized bank. they already have paper money.

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Post » Sun Nov 25, 2012 7:09 pm

Col. Hsu is one of the few NCR officers i actually liked, but surely he'd make a terrible general. i mean, he can't even manage camp mccarren. Fiends on the doorstep, food problems, intelligence leaks, the problems with contreras, and he sent a ranger to his death (2 if you count Morales. not sure if that was his order though) How's he going to sort out the rest of the NCR? :tongue:
While Colonel Jsu is not the greatest, he does understand his soldiers, and he understands his problems. Jsu mentioned with the rangers that he forgets sometimes they are capable of being captured/killed, and is used to relying on them.
I think he would be a better General, more so than Oliver or Moore, but Moore is probably better for just warfare, just not doing anything in the msot peaceful of ways.
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Post » Mon Nov 26, 2012 12:51 am

I do not find Mr.House to be bad in any way shape or form, he loves on thing, vegas, and has put so much time money and his life into his love I don't see this is being bad. I hate all legion and if you are interested in hearing why I do have reasons lol. just message or ask me to post. Benny, long story short he shot me in the head i don't like him. NCR is ok but too pushy, I have not talked or met ulysses so I will get back to that at another date
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Post » Sun Nov 25, 2012 6:23 pm

Oliver...
Oliver is the worst of that list.
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House, Caesar, Ulysses? Hell, potentially even Benny....They all deserve respect. House, Caesar and Ulysses will tell you their plan and they'll justify it. They'll argue and show you they've done their homework, and while you may not agree with their conclusions, you should give them respect because what they say makes sense. To me, speaking with House, Caesar and Ulysses....it's as if the three of them were to show you a chalkboard, showing a mathematical equation as to why their actions are the best solution. The math is all there, and it's correct. It all adds up, just as they claim. BUT! But that does not mean there isn't another solution, another equation. Just because their equation is logically sound, doesn't mean you can't find another equation to apply that's also logically sound, but suits your style more.
And that's exactly how it is for me with those three. I have a lot of respect for them as they've put thought and reason behind their work, but I simply disagree with their goals, and thus I'll work on my own. Having said that, I'm not one to interrupt their work; let Caesar live and may he have a chance to lead his Legion to glory in Arizona, let Ulysses live and may he find new purpose.

And Benny? For what it's worth, even though he IS a snake that'll slit your throat if given the chance, I can't help but feel like he's got his moments of honesty. He's lying through his teeth when he says he'll work with you, sure, but when he's talking about his dedication to his plan and his desire for Indy Vegas? Maybe I'm stupid, but I believe him. In the face of death, when he's out of options to slit your throat, he doesn't desperately try to weasel his way out and keep going; no, he lets you in on his plan and encourages you to see it through. That to me says that although Benny maybe be absolutely ruthless in seeing his plan through, this is bigger than just him and his ambitions; he's serious about the need for an Indy Vegas, though we may never know why. But he truly believes in it and every throat he slits, he does it for a cause he believes in. If nothing else, you gotta give him that.


And who is Oliver? Just a child with a gun. He's an idiot who wants nothing more than fame and glory, the "why" of it doesn't matter. Such an ideology in the hands of a man with that much influence and power is dangerous. He's wreckless, careless and negligent, and with him in such a position of power, a lot of people are likely to die without the man ever stopping to justify those deaths, only caring about how much money and power he gains from it all.


And thus, I found myself saying "eh, what the hell" when I saw the option to toss him off the Dam. :biggrin:
Longknife I swear your ideals are almost the same as mine in this game
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Post » Mon Nov 26, 2012 3:09 am

my personal nemsis is... all the important peaple in the game with rares. seriously, i always try to get as many rares as i can in playthroughs, but i can never get sterlings rifle.... i know i can just kill him after all the quests but i dont kill peaple with A. hats B. moustache beard thingys and . accents. dont ask.
I fully agree with you, but I kill sterling
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Post » Sun Nov 25, 2012 3:02 pm

While Colonel Jsu is not the greatest, he does understand his soldiers, and he understands his problems. Jsu mentioned with the rangers that he forgets sometimes they are capable of being captured/killed, and is used to relying on them.
I think he would be a better General, more so than Oliver or Moore, but Moore is probably better for just warfare, just not doing anything in the msot peaceful of ways.

Oh don't get me wrong, he'd be a far better choice than the incompetent Oliver and ignorant Moore! but I think if anyone, Hanlon would be the best choice really - he shares Hsu's empathy and understanding but is a far better leader and tactician.
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Post » Mon Nov 26, 2012 3:31 am

I voted ceaser....just because i might have accidentally killed as few of his minions....the constant hit squads showing up all the time......die die die
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Post » Mon Nov 26, 2012 2:52 am

Ulysses was the closest thing, but then we became pals , and now I don't have one anymore.
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Post » Mon Nov 26, 2012 2:57 am

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Post » Sun Nov 25, 2012 9:03 pm

ALL legion assassins just because i killed Caesar and hundreds of other assassins and soldiers is that really a reason to kill me? :biggrin:
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Post » Mon Nov 26, 2012 4:24 am

JOE EFFING COBB.
My courier beat him to death with his bare hands, dragged his lifeless, limp body to the chair in front of The Prospector's Saloon. There I propped him up agains tthe wall. Kids, This is what we do to [censored].
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Post » Mon Nov 26, 2012 12:36 am

My personal nemesis is the Fiends. Motorrunner or whatever he is called. I have only compleated one game where I didnt actively seek out and kill him.

Why?

Because he put down an entire vault. Drug crazed fiends killing and [censored] everyone and everything. And if you think they wont, think Sub Saharan Africa and see what childsoliders fu,cked up on coke or what junkies in ghettos do. Plus The fiends will fu.ck eachother. And if you have ever seen or heard a crackbaby you seriously want to hurt the mother and the father. Not just kill. Hurt. Motorrunner I would give the guided tour of hell. 6 months of torture and Id get a doc to fix him up just before death claimed him. And then Id start over. And Id Holotape the whole thing, and send it to whoever decided that raiding Vegas citizens was a great idea with the message "You WILL be next".

Each and every game I go to Vault 3 I kill everyone by blowing their legs off and letting them bleed out. IRL Id have put a nugget in their livers and then watch them die but unfortunately we arent quite at that level yet. So... the leg bit will have to suffice.
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Post » Sun Nov 25, 2012 8:44 pm

Well...
My courier eventualy kills benny, but gives him every chance to live.

My courier changes ulyssys life a 2nd time when he teaches him to let go of his hatered and bitternes.

I usualy support house, so he's not it.

I would prity much say Ceaser and Oliver nems, Oliver more so than ceaser. Oliver not only is a bad leader tactics wise, but his imperialist war to drain the mojave of it's resources while underhandedly saying they want to help the mojave is something I just cant stand for. At least the legion is open about thier lust for the mojave's treasures.
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