Lol why? he is the last hope of humanity

I personally hate Oliver.

(Insert general rage filled anti-House opinions here)

Samuel Cooke.

Caesar, Lanius and the Legion in general are too vast and impersonal an evil to count as my nemesis. They're the nemesis of the entire Mojave.

Benny's just some guy who dies within five minutes of me showing up in his hotel.

House is just some guy who dies within five minutes of me showing up in his hotel and sitting through a boring presentation.

But Cooke and his insane reactionary rhetoric put a face to everyone I oppose. All the people who hate the NCR not because it's causing them any trouble but just because it's taking over. All the stupid and ignorant people who got so used to living in a 'post-apocalyptic' world they can no longer function in a world with a normal government. And so I select him as my personal enemy.

This. Not to mention the fact that he trashed a good amount of Big Mountain and the Mojave to further his goal to eradicate all life in a harsh brutality that even the Enclave cannot compare too. However, Doctor Borous is equally hated by me for his creation of Nightstalkers and Cazadors (which are clearly not sterile...), as well as Doctor Mobius for making Borous ignorant of the danger these creatures pose for the world.

It was originally Caesar and general oliver but mostly because I always sided with Mr.house but since siding with the legion. I kind of like them mostly due to the roman theme of their army. So it might just change to just general oliver.

Remember, if you don't want a foreign power to take over your community, you're stupid and ignorant!

If you hate people like that, the King should be your nemesis. Cooke just attacks caravans on the road, the Kings actively resist annexation.

For me Ulysees fits the meaning best especially 4.

Caesar is by far the most hated @$$#&*^ in the story! And is basically the” Hitler” of the wasteland. A narrow minded, fat, sixist, slaver with a massive megalomania complex! After playing the game several times (to get different endings) I tried to force myself to join his side to see the difference. I lasted as long as I could until I just could not stand it anymore. (My humanity level is just too high I guess?) Alien Blaster to his head was the only way I could live with myself.

Go Vegan, less radiation.

You're not understanding Caesar then.

There's also a big difference between Hitler's genocide and general campaign to prove Aryan's superior and Caesar's campaign to challenge the philosophies and the system of the NCR.
One of them is blindly working towards a baseless belief that one race is superior and has a right to kill off all the others via it's superiority, the other is a guy who recognizes the faults of the NCR and wishes to improve both them and his Legion by forcing them to adapt and become stronger via war, both physically and philosophically.

If anyone from Fallout is comparable to Hitler, it's the Enclave, but even the Enclave seems far more justified then Hitler.

Benny

The others haven't done anything personal to you.

Why the hate on the NCR? Well, I understand, I can just never part with Boone . I guess my #1 nemesis would be Benny. He could have asked for the chip before he took a chunk of my head off...temporarily >:/ .

If I understood the S.O.B. perhaps he wouldn’t be my pick for my nemesis? Then again maybe I understand him too well, which once again is my pick for my nemesis. That is the topic right? Not “who do you think is the most misunderstood S.O.B. in the wasteland.”



Go Vegan, less radiation.

Cazadores...cazadores everywhere, surrounding me, mocking me, converging. I am choking on repression and fear of my deadly enemy of the skies!

Caesar's political philosophy seems to have more in common with Italian Fascism than Nazism

Everyone lol

Well out of all the factions i like house the best, working for him improves the strip whilst leaving everyone else in the Mojave alone.

The NCR and Legion are the same imo, they both want the same and are both hated by pretty much everyone, the only difference between them, the Legion rules over the people and the land with a whip, the NCR with a gun and harsh taxes. Yes man is like G.H. Eden, a robot, a program and they are calculated, evil and will never do whats right for the people, i always hated yes man and put a bullet in his robobrain every time i saw him.

I always play as a merc so even though i will do work for all the factions if caps are involved, i always prefer to work for house.

Cheers-

Ronin

He's not saying Caesar is misunderstood, he's saying you just didn't understand him.
Fair enough if you dont like him, alot of people don't. But the NCR, Enclave, BoS leaders are/were all just as bad in their own ways. So saying he is the 'Hitler' of the wasteland is a bit extreme.

I'm saying you completely misunderstood his motives because, for example, you call him sixist.

Caesar isn't sixist. Women aren't slaves because he thinks they're inferior and can't fight, women are slaves because Caesar wants to teach his people to work towards a common goal as one nation, for this he needs to indoctrinate them and it just so happens children are x1000 times easier to indoctrinate than grown people with past lives. He wants his Legion expanding as fast as humanly possible, which means a baby in every womb. As it turns out, pregnant women make for very poor soldiers, so what do they do? Other jobs, not soldier jobs.
Likewise, basically everyone is a slave. No one in the Legion really chooses what they want to be (save exceptions like Vulpes, but that ties into his job specifically), but rather the Legion tells them how they would be most useful to the Legion and makes them do it. Thus women are often slaves because it's a job they can do while pregnant (with being pregnant actually being their main "job"), while men are also forced to be soldiers because with every woman pregnant, men have to make up for their gaps on the front lines. sixism exists within select Legionnaires, yes, but not within Caesar. Caesar only does it to keep his Legion productive, not out of a belief that women are stupid and inferior. I mean a female Courier he accepts with open arms. Why? Because she's proven she's an exception and IS more valuable as a frumentarii rather than just another pregnant slave.

There's more that your post shows you misunderstood, this just being a small example of your post showing you don't understand the true nature of the Legion or the purpose behind their actions.

This exactly. The legion are actually a very interesting and well written faction with alot of meaning behind it in the game. Its a shame people jump on the OMG sixIST AND SLAVES THEY MUST BE THE BAD GUYS bandwagon without actually doing a bit of research or even listening to a tiny bit of the legion backstory.

I agree with most of the post except for how you (IMO) seemingly insinuate that every woman is a slave.
"Female slaves that can bear children become breeders" would be more accurate.
As we know that Primm's women aren't enslaved, Courier is hired and other settlements and towns have been taken over peacefully without any enslavement.

As to the green part: Not the residents, although they are not technically a part of Legion. Only residents of the Legion area.

I was simply responding to the topic.

You love the S.O.B. so much that’s cool. Go marry him or something.

But if you want a debate then start another thread about how he’s the best-thing-since-sliced-bread and how all us little people just don’t understand him or something. Just please don’t keep preaching to me about the S.O.B.! One thing I cannot stand is anyone telling to believe something I don’t. Fair enough?



Go Vegan, less radiation.

My teamlead at work is my personal nemesis.

But you're claiming "opinion" where it's a matter of fact. I'm not even a Caesar supporter. I'm not saying you have to like him, but you're clearly disliking a man that doesn't even exist, as your perception of Caesar is quite off.

If I'm to be incredibly blunt, and I mean this with all due respect and in the nicest way possible, I think it's incredibly ignorant of you to disregard facts about him and claim your disregarding of facts is your opinion, and my referal to facts is also, according to you, an opinion. Keep in mind ignorant =/= stupid, I'm not saying you're stupid. Stupid is where you can't learn something, ignorant is where you simply have never had the chance to learn something; you've clearly missed the deeper motivations behind Caesar's Legion. No, if I disregard that Hitler killed a bunch of Jews and then refer to him solely as "that guy we have to thank for the little reflector things on the highway systems to help people drive safely at night" and claim that's my OPINION, then people are gonna look at me funny, because yes, I'm oblivious to the facts of the matter and it comes off as odd. There IS a clear difference between assigning a woman to be the janitor and a man to be the store manager when the man has a degree and the woman has jack, and assigning the woman to be a janitor and a man to be the store manager when the woman has the degree. What Caesar does is the former, not the latter: women are what they are in the Legion because a pregnant soldier likely fails on giving birth and on succeeding on the battlefield. Likewise men are what they are because they can produce offspring and still go on the battlefield in tip-top shape.

Ulysses said "Ignorance is a Choice." I always found this a little extreme (though in some cases accurate), but what he meant is that sometimes if you don't take time to learn the why of something, you're guilty of negligence. Ulysses says this because your Courier has a heavy decision to make and if you don't learn the why of things, you might make a bad choice. (again, not saying Caesar is correct, I don't support him either, but he still deserves hearing out) In this case, I'm sorry, but it doesn't seem you've taken time to learn the why of Caesar. If you want more info on the Legion, I'm happy to give it, but I don't think you should just disregard any and all positives of the guy just because he CAN be extreme, because yes, he IS gonna be an a-hole if you perceive him that way. Keep an open-mind about him, at least to understand him.

I hate him only because he ''convinced'' chance to die, i wish he was a companion in the game

Other than that he is determined, smart and idealistic as he wants an independent Vegas.

And you were just a courier to begin with, he could not afford to leave any loose ends.



Haha. I wish i could marry him as a female character.

He's probably basing his opinion of Caesar on what he sees in-game. A lot of the good points about the Legion have to be extrapolated (since it's territories got cut) or read online. And even if Sawyer believes something, I'm not sure it's canon/a fact (ie. his mod that changes karma levels). The idea that woman are making babies isn't really a fact according to the version of New Vegas that I bought, since in that game, the slaves are standing around carrying giant packages that have crippled both their legs (and I hope they're not pregnant).

I think it is an opinion whether one believes the in-game depiction of the Legion or the Sawyer version, though I generally consider his ideas awesome, and thus think of them a canon.

Go talk to Canyon Runner and ask him about how the Weathers family is going to end up as slaves and he'll tell you how the mother differs from the daughter and what their new assignment will be as slaves.