Who do you consider your personal nemesis? : Fallout: New Vegas

» Sun Nov 25, 2012 10:55 pm

I don't get all the hate towards the NCR,besides the Enclave,they are my second most favorite faction.
I get it,their leaders are morons,this is obvious.
But the NCR in general isn't bad. They try to bring some unity and protection to the wasteland and since they aren't perfect at it they get demonized.
Seriously,would you rather have the legion rule the Mojave?

I hate the NCR because of how it's become. The higher ups are selfish, greedy, and unconcerned about the people they send out to fight. The majority of their soldiers recieve shoddy equipment, and little to no training. They're basically given a run down weapon, a uniform, and orders to die at their earliest convieniance (not really about the orders but they might as well be getting such an order :shrug:

). Why anyone in their right mind would willingly enlist in the NCR is beyond me.

That being said, I don't hate the NCR as a whole, just the higher ups, and I make it a point to kill all of them in almost every playthrough.

» Sun Nov 25, 2012 5:01 pm

"The [censored] Courier was the [censored] worst of all of them. The [censored] worst by far. When he [censored] died the first [censored] time, he must have [censored] met the [censored] devil, and then [censored] killed him. [censored]!" - Boxcars

Fixed.

» Sun Nov 25, 2012 7:07 pm

Where'd you get this? I like it.

I was answering the topic question from Boxcar's perspective.

It can't be Boxcars. There isn't any profanity!

Alas, the filters on these forums would not allow it.

Edit: Ninja'd in a good way! :thumbsup:

» Sun Nov 25, 2012 5:27 pm

Edit: Ninja'd in a good way! :thumbsup:

Don't worry, I got your back.

» Sun Nov 25, 2012 11:29 pm

1. lol are you trying to be his nemesis? love the history links, pure gold.

2. The only reason I don't like CL is because of the slavery. Its a tough thing to over look when helping them.

1. Nah, I just get frustrated when someone isn't constructive and just bash Legion constantly, even more frustrating is it when they don't respond back to you.

2. Well, think about Legion like this: They were created to change. When Caesar dies, it will change, if Lanius goes back to Arizona, it will change, if Caesar initiates his synthesis it will change. Legion was created to change all the time, to adapt and improve. So slavery isn't always going to be around, it could just last another 50 years, it could last another 500 years. But if you want to you can pretend that slavery is only a temporary measure, we don't have any evidence against it, so it can work.

I don't get it either. I think some people think big armies and factions are all perfect.
That they don't have to deal with bad stuff, make hard descisons.That every leader is perfect.
That there ar'nt people taking on the nasty stuff, and clearing it up, so peace can continue.
The ncr are good. Their goals are good. They bring peace and unity.
But to get that, you have to do some hard things. It's worth it if it furthers the freedom and good things for everyone
No one ever said all leaders in a faction are perfect.

I thought the NCR was well done.
~~Not perfect but the goals are good. Got a bit of too fast empire expanison. But that happens to a lot of groups.~~
There's nothing to hate about the faction itself, or it's goals.
~~They're as close to pre war life as you can get, in a very managable way.~~

Funny thing is, if you replace NCR with Legion, this post still works. :laugh:

» Mon Nov 26, 2012 12:08 am

Remember, if you don't want a foreign power to take over your community, you're stupid and ignorant!

If you hate people like that, the King should be your nemesis. Cooke just attacks caravans on the road, the Kings actively resist annexation.

The King at least has an actual philosophical foundation upon which to resist. Kind of like Arcade. And that's fine, I can respect that. It's all the people who see the NCR coming and start a fight before they even figure out whether being annexed is a good or a bad thing that drive me nuts.

» Sun Nov 25, 2012 9:55 pm

My nemesis would have to be Benny, he tries to kill you etc.

I support the NCR, To restore a central government, have a free healthcare system and have the interests of the people rather than the rich or themselves.

» Sun Nov 25, 2012 6:24 pm

I think mpst of the hate with ncr is not that overall its bad, its just the higher ups and poloticians are working towards not the betterment of the country, but to better their pockets and or status. The lowly soldiers and the citizens believe in the freedom and believe in their country thats its gonna do right and that its a country that worth laying their lives down for.
The higher ups as in most generals and politicians, the people who actually run things and are the ones issuing orders use the peoples devotion to their country in ways to line their pockets and or to gwt a better position or status. They are using the dream of ncr to get the masses to do what benefits them while making the lower ranks and civians believe its for the better of their country.
You replace the higher ups, the people who actually run the show with the ideals of the lower ranks and civians then yes it would be a perfect country which I believe it was like that up til tandi died then the higher ups went all to hell.

» Mon Nov 26, 2012 4:06 am

Who do I consider my personal nemesis? Pants. Seriously, they're so uncomfortable and they make your crotch sweat. Wearin' no clothes like a boss.

» Sun Nov 25, 2012 9:23 pm

Who do I consider my personal nemesis? Pants. Seriously, they're so uncomfortable and they make your crotch sweat. Wearin' no clothes like a boss.

Who likes short shorts?

» Sun Nov 25, 2012 1:44 pm

Caesar. It's not ok to enslave tribal women, or give a woman to a caravan trader as a pack animal, or make a young girl sleep in mud and brahmin crap

» Sun Nov 25, 2012 12:26 pm

Caesar. It's not ok to enslave tribal women, or give a woman to a caravan trader as a pack animal, or make a young girl sleep in mud and brahmin crap

To be fair, NO ONE in the Legion has it easy. Women are kept about to cook, breed, and do menial labour behind frontlines. It's BECAUSE of their ability to give birth they are disallowed to fight.

As for men, you are a Legionairre, either brought into the fold, or you're born into the fold. Either way, you train rigourously, you fight who Caesar says you fight, and you die.

Mortality rate in the Legion is extremely high, by battle, and I imagine, infections and sicknesses as well. Either way, you're looking at it from one angle. The Legion isn't about slavery, it's just one tool in the effort of its war machine. Caesar doesn't care about men or women, he cares about the success of his Legion. That's why he's made homosixuality banned, not because he deems it immorale, but because gays and lisbians can't produce children. Caesar is about brutali force and efficiency by any means neccesary. His laws and system arent nice, but he's brought order and security to the lands East of Vegas.

I'm not a Legion supporter, just wanted to attempt to change your mind a little.

» Mon Nov 26, 2012 2:55 am

Colonel Martyr, you remind me of something one of my friends said after playing New Vegas on my reccomendation. I was about to do my first Legion playthrough, and I asked him what he thought of the Legion. His response is as follows:

"Everyone in the Legion is Caeser's slave, even if they're not wearing a collar."

And that's why I never joined the Legion again after that playthrough. With Independent you're your own master. For House and NCR, you're an employee. But serving Caeser will make you his slave, and I'm nobody's slave.

» Mon Nov 26, 2012 12:06 am

Caeser because he keeps sending hit squads after me >

» Sun Nov 25, 2012 7:52 pm

To be fair, NO ONE in the Legion has it easy. Women are kept about to cook, breed, and do menial labour behind frontlines. It's BECAUSE of their ability to give birth they are disallowed to fight.

As for men, you are a Legionairre, either brought into the fold, or you're born into the fold. Either way, you train rigourously, you fight who Caesar says you fight, and you die.

Mortality rate in the Legion is extremely high, by battle, and I imagine, infections and sicknesses as well. Either way, you're looking at it from one angle. The Legion isn't about slavery, it's just one tool in the effort of its war machine. Caesar doesn't care about men or women, he cares about the success of his Legion. That's why he's made homosixuality banned, not because he deems it immorale, but because gays and lisbians can't produce children. Caesar is about brutali force and efficiency by any means neccesary. His laws and system arent nice, but he's brought order and security to the lands East of Vegas.

I'm not a Legion supporter, just wanted to attempt to change your mind a little.

I understand why he does it, I have gone through all the dialogue with him. It is not ok to sacrifice peoples lives and freedom for a future population without their consent. On this I will never agree, also the game really does emphasise the slavery. "A vast army of slaves". I would never support a faction that enslaved people. Their ecomony is based on slavery isn't it? That's the tribute they are referring too when they say a cannibal faction can have a percentage of the tribute. My personal opinion of caesar is that he is criminally insane and needs to be dealt with. Order and security east of vegas for who exactly?
I would have put the legate as first choice, but he's not in the game very much and I prefer to have a visible enemy.

» Sun Nov 25, 2012 6:21 pm

I understand why he does it, I have gone through all the dialogue with him. It is not ok to sacrifice peoples lives and freedom for a future population without their consent. On this I will never agree, also the game really does emphasise the slavery. "A vast army of slaves". I would never support a faction that enslaved people. Their ecomony is based on slavery isn't it? That's the tribute they are referring too when they say a cannibal faction can have a percentage of the tribute. My personal opinion of caesar is that he is criminally insane and needs to be dealt with. Order and security east of vegas for who exactly?
I would have put the legate as first choice, but he's not in the game very much and I prefer to have a visible enemy.

You and I find it difficult to comprehend any need for Caesar because we live in a society where people do as they're told for the most part, a society where we have a system of established law and order. But according to Raul and what dialogue there is about the east, the lands were filled with bandits, raiders, and tribals who were a threat to settlements. According to J.E. Sawyer, the Legion and the people they oversee are two entirely different social casks. There's the settlements they oversee, like Goodsprings types, filled with Settlers, and then Legion soldiers would occupy and protect the people. However, at the rare occassion the Legion requests something of you, you're going to do it or you're going to die. It sounds harsh, but given the Legion effectively brought order to the east, one could argue doing what's asked of you by the Legion is a small price to pay.

As for ingame scenario, you have to remember, we aren't seeing the Legion as it is, we are seeing it at the frontlines. Military camps, patrols, and fortifications. The NCR is a foreign occupier as well, but the Legion is a fully hostile invader. The NCR and the Legion aren't all that dissimiliar in their aims, they both want to depose Mr. House by force and seize Vegas for their own nations. The only difference is Mr. House and NCR are more or less at an uneasy truce, the Legion has two armys to face.

Over all, my hostility to the Legion is purely because they are an active threat to Mr. House, where they to leave Vegas alone, I think the Legion is better for the East than no society.

» Sun Nov 25, 2012 8:29 pm

I'm not fond of ncr either but the legion as it is presented in the game has nothing but disdain for women which really pisses me off, and have no more regard for them than they do animals. I honestly couldn't believe my ears when I first played this game. Also this peace that the caravan traders speak of comes at the price of other peoples freedom (womens mostly), they'd soon change their tune if it was them that were enslaved. California I believe is peaceful, according to an npc people have jobs and life is pretty quiet and safe there. I just think that maybe the tribals in the east might have eventually found a better way to exist if left to it and not turned into a giant army. You give a pretty convincing argument but forcing women to have babies against their will is not an acceptable price for this peace.

So ceasar is still number one. Is there a thread on favourite character?

» Sun Nov 25, 2012 12:30 pm

I'm not fond of ncr either but the legion as it is presented in the game has nothing but disdain for women which really pisses me off, and have no more regard for them than they do animals. I honestly couldn't believe my ears when I first played this game. Also this peace that the caravan traders speak of comes at the price of other peoples freedom (womens mostly), they'd soon change their tune if it was them that were enslaved. California I believe is peaceful, according to an npc people have jobs and life is pretty quiet and safe there. I just think that maybe the tribals in the east might have eventually found a better way to exist if left to it and not turned into a giant army. You give a pretty convincing argument but forcing women to have babies against their will is not an acceptable price for this peace.

So ceasar is still number one. Is there a thread on favourite character?

Women are no more slaves than men in the Legion. Men are forced to be expendable soldiers (Unless they're too old to fight in which case they're just forced to do other jobs). and women are forced to provide.

» Sun Nov 25, 2012 5:42 pm

I'm not fond of ncr either but the legion as it is presented in the game has nothing but disdain for women which really pisses me off, and have no more regard for them than they do animals. I honestly couldn't believe my ears when I first played this game. Also this peace that the caravan traders speak of comes at the price of other peoples freedom (womens mostly), they'd soon change their tune if it was them that were enslaved. California I believe is peaceful, according to an npc people have jobs and life is pretty quiet and safe there. I just think that maybe the tribals in the east might have eventually found a better way to exist if left to it and not turned into a giant army. You give a pretty convincing argument but forcing women to have babies against their will is not an acceptable price for this peace.

So ceasar is still number one. Is there a thread on favourite character?

The NCR is a new world order, old world problems. Caesar is a primal 'survival of the fittest'. Talk to Hanlon, and he about sums up a Legion Soldier. 'Life expectancy in the Legion isn't long. Take a Legionnaire, and age him by ten years. Whatever they lost to age they make up for in experience. You live ten years in Caesars army, you're a force to be reckoned with.' Or something to that extent. But either way, that's basically what the Legion is. Caesars plan in theory is to conquer Vegas and turn his nomadic army into a standing military power. As for the Legion itself, they don't take every woman from the settlements they control, they take men and women and strap a collar on them from their war efforts or whatever, and the men are conscripted if they meet physical criteria, and the women are kept to do as they're told. Everyone knows their place in Caesars society. Everyone on down from the fetus in a womb up to the highest Legate that exists in his Legion, everyone is a slave to Caesar's law. The only truly free man is Caesar.

That said, not EVERYONE in the Legion Territory is Legion. They leave settlements alone, Caesar hates Tribals, and he forces them into the Legion. From there, he burns and scraqes off their tribal tattoos and markings, and forces mixed breeding so all the old tribe loyalties die out. There's no tribe East of the Colorado except the Legion.

» Mon Nov 26, 2012 12:23 am

I think mpst of the hate with ncr is not that overall its bad, its just the higher ups and poloticians are working towards not the betterment of the country, but to better their pockets and or status. The lowly soldiers and the citizens believe in the freedom and believe in their country thats its gonna do right and that its a country that worth laying their lives down for.
The higher ups as in most generals and politicians, the people who actually run things and are the ones issuing orders use the peoples devotion to their country in ways to line their pockets and or to gwt a better position or status. They are using the dream of ncr to get the masses to do what benefits them while making the lower ranks and civians believe its for the better of their country.
You replace the higher ups, the people who actually run the show with the ideals of the lower ranks and civians then yes it would be a perfect country which I believe it was like that up til tandi died then the higher ups went all to hell.

This except for tandi, as though a great leader, she did some pretty bad things like alling ncr with mr bishop that go against ncr rules, made by her father and herself

» Mon Nov 26, 2012 12:37 am

Red Chinese Communists!

» Sun Nov 25, 2012 7:47 pm

Father Elijah. The [censored] striped me of everything, strapped me with an explosive collar, forced me to go through a trap infested hellhole, all to further his own gains. I was simply a pawn on his own game, until I turned the tables on him. One of the most satisfying moments in New Vegas.

He made a great antagonist.

» Sun Nov 25, 2012 5:15 pm

No-Bark Noonan! I will make you rue the day you swindled me of over 2000 caps in Caravan if it's the last thing I ever do!

Be careful, he might stick you with his stickin' knife.

» Mon Nov 26, 2012 1:57 am

Oliver is the worst of that list.

House, Caesar, Ulysses? Hell, potentially even Benny....They all deserve respect. House, Caesar and Ulysses will tell you their plan and they'll justify it. They'll argue and show you they've done their homework, and while you may not agree with their conclusions, you should give them respect because what they say makes sense. To me, speaking with House, Caesar and Ulysses....it's as if the three of them were to show you a chalkboard, showing a mathematical equation as to why their actions are the best solution. The math is all there, and it's correct. It all adds up, just as they claim. BUT! But that does not mean there isn't another solution, another equation. Just because their equation is logically sound, doesn't mean you can't find another equation to apply that's also logically sound, but suits your style more.
And that's exactly how it is for me with those three. I have a lot of respect for them as they've put thought and reason behind their work, but I simply disagree with their goals, and thus I'll work on my own. Having said that, I'm not one to interrupt their work; let Caesar live and may he have a chance to lead his Legion to glory in Arizona, let Ulysses live and may he find new purpose.

And Benny? For what it's worth, even though he IS a snake that'll slit your throat if given the chance, I can't help but feel like he's got his moments of honesty. He's lying through his teeth when he says he'll work with you, sure, but when he's talking about his dedication to his plan and his desire for Indy Vegas? Maybe I'm stupid, but I believe him. In the face of death, when he's out of options to slit your throat, he doesn't desperately try to weasel his way out and keep going; no, he lets you in on his plan and encourages you to see it through. That to me says that although Benny maybe be absolutely ruthless in seeing his plan through, this is bigger than just him and his ambitions; he's serious about the need for an Indy Vegas, though we may never know why. But he truly believes in it and every throat he slits, he does it for a cause he believes in. If nothing else, you gotta give him that.

And who is Oliver? Just a child with a gun. He's an idiot who wants nothing more than fame and glory, the "why" of it doesn't matter. Such an ideology in the hands of a man with that much influence and power is dangerous. He's wreckless, careless and negligent, and with him in such a position of power, a lot of people are likely to die without the man ever stopping to justify those deaths, only caring about how much money and power he gains from it all.

And thus, I found myself saying "eh, what the hell" when I saw the option to toss him off the Dam. :biggrin:

perfectly put.

» Mon Nov 26, 2012 2:54 am

Idk I havent played any of it the dlcs so my choices are slimmed down I don't really think of anyone as my nemesis Caeser isn't bad he's pretty cool. Oliver is an idiot but not a nemesis. I guess deathclaws but I used two C-4s and about 15 to 20 fragmines and now I don't fear them. Maybe Benny or the Legate would also be my nemesis.