I like that simile. :shifty:

Again, I hope that rocking involves constructive, logical, and respectable in it's movements. That's just my view on it though, obviously.

Are you just stringing together virtuous adjectives? Logical isn't really an appropriate word for this. We're not problem solving. It's all opinion based, which would be a bit outside of simple logic. You've used that word several times now. And while complaining may be a filler for the time between now and November, it has, in the past gotten results. With this company in particular it has gotten results, and those results have been very, VERY positive for the game overall. The biggest I can remember is the inclusion of the beast races in Morrowind. That was done as a result of complaining, if memory serves, and was not originally intended.

This. Many of us may feel the criticism is in abundance, but this is one of the nicest places in the all of internet. I also look at it this way: we [censored] and moan enough, at the very least we might get a line of dialogue by M'Aiq!

I don't mind the people on these forums. Could be worse like "why cant we have WHAT WE WANT HUH?" kind of people. The only thing that is annoying is the amount of the "beth fix the water" threads. :chaos:

Well I didn't even need to see some gameplay, on any info at all, it was just the title: TES V : SKYRIM that made me feel the awesomeness!! Of course there are some thing I would want to add to the game,and other thing that I want to remove, but in the end, I don't really care. The game is going to be epic no matter how it comes out in the end,,,,
p.s: ( can't get any worse than Arcania:Gothic 4 :down: )

Well, you basically answered your own question.

Logically speaking, complaining about an entire race not being in the game is not even comparable to complaining about capes or spears not being in the game.

How serious an issue really is to the overall game is a matter of logic. It involves using common sense.

Anything else you'd like to "discuss"? :confused:

/facepalm

I take it english isn't your first language.

Just for the record, though. There was a LOT of complaining on the forums when Oblivion was in production about the changes and direction the game was heading. If the developers had heeded a few more of those complaints, the game would have been appealing to a lot more people. Oblivion might have been a great and successful game regardless, but it did alienate a big part of the original TES fans who had playing the series for a decade.

Why are you still here? It's obvious you don't share any of my thoughts on this subject and you've made that quite clear. Is there some outstanding reason for you to continually respond to whatever I say? Or are you just going to stay here and repeatedly point out that you don't agree with me?

While it was great hearing your side of things at first, and you pointed out the flaws in my original poll, now it seems you just want to nit pick everything I say.

By your response to my response I can only assume that you're just not interesting in the topic anymore, but you don't want to stop arguing.

I explained why "logical" is a part of my thoughts. You seem to be the only one questioning it's inclusion, but if it's really bothering you that much, might I suggest ignoring it and concentrating on the other words like "constructive" and "respectable".

Or you could just continue to do a little "/facepalm". That's great.

Adding Khajiit and Argonian as playable races might have been pretty easy. It just requires a few clicks to make daedra playable in Oblivion.

Spears require a series of animations doable but require work. For capes to work well you need clothing physic, clothing physic has lots of benefits but require changes to the engine.

No critisism, I mean the game is not even out yet. When its out feel free to complain but I myself thing Skyrim is looking really really good.

You know the reason they weren't going to be included was because it was too difficult/time consuming to do? Tails, different animations for walking, armor restrictions etc... and guess what WAS included? Spears. Spears would actually be easier to include than a humanoid race that isn't quite human.

I was actually referring to the impact the additions would have on the gameplay. A whole new race or a new piece of clothing? But thanks for pointing that out! I still think logic applies when criticizing a game. If you use common sense well... surprise, surprise, your criticism will make more sense.

The impact isn't that much different between weapon types and races. Any race has access to all the weapons, but not everyone uses all the races. So by that logic, spears are more important and impactive than including Khajits and Argonians.

You should add another option : Morrowind 2

agree, agree, agree

People would DARE criticize Bethesda? AAHHHAHHHH BURN THE WITcH!! Someone call the internets police!! Must be hard to be a fan boy lately.

Well, i think constructive critisism is necessary. How else are the developers going to improve on the game unless they know what to improve on?

The point of company forums is to talk about a product. And if there are flaws in it point them out so they can be fixed. I hate when people flame you for saying something is broken when it is blatantly broken and there is no argument to it.
This is not just for here but for any corporate/business forum.

Other: Any kind of critisizm backed by a mod. If you really think something is worth adding, put your work where your mouth is and make a mod that demonstrates it . A single modder already got more attention then all the people raving on these forums together by doing just that (the archery mod).

All in all... I think there is a good chance that I will enjoy Skyrim quite a bit when it is done. The primary reason being that my expectations on what to expect from an ElderScrolls game diminished quite a bit after the last one. While I hope Oblivion was more of a fluke and the series will be returning to its former glory in Skyrim.

yes i hate haters... that makes me a hater?

anyway haters almost kill me in this thread: http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1169570-social-network-for-skyrim/page__st__80__p__17256153__fromsearch__1#entry17256153

I think constructive criticism is fine but I think any criticism regarding Skyrim's gameplay is a bit premature. We won't probably see any kind of demo until October at the very earliest (beta testing notwithstanding) so we don't actually have any clue as to what the game will ultimately be like. Even visually, there's a lot that can happen between now and November. All we can do now is discuss what's been done in previous games and speculate on what will or will not make it in the final game. Speculation is fun, but that's all it is.

I for one intend to savor every moment of anticipation until Skyrim's release.

There are legitmate complaints and suggestions out there, but the majority of them on this forum are either stupid or just being a whiner.

i'd say many of the complaints or wishes of what has been confirmed and what people want confirmed.. are irrational, unnesecary, unfair, and mostly useless... many people on these forums first bought oblivion then some bought morrowind just to say they had it because of the whole MW better than oblivion points.. yet they dont realise the game in its essence is an RPG, not some wild action game..
people want more and more other things such as building houses, singing along with bards, playing instruments, jobs.. and amazing combat systems and an amazing plot which lets you explore the whole world... all of which will never be put into a game well at the same time.. look at fable
it had such promise , offering some rpg with alot of action(bordering a hack.n.slash during some parts) and at the same time tried to add in everything else... and it didnt work thankfully the humour of the game,mainly thanks to the slightly childish things you can do, and some brilliant actors putting there voices to the game managed to stop it being a full on disaster

people want too much from people, for an example look at oblivion, yes it had its issues, but the game was largely designed to be a nex gen game before the next gen consoles were released, so they had no real idea of what the systems were capable of and the best way to use them, however it is one of my favourite Xbox360 games having spent about 90-140 hours with at least on character from each race.. so yes say whats wrong and what you'd like but the large amounts of complaints of things being left out .. such as spears which are left out as there is a lack of what you can do with them, yet if they were in people would complain that there was a lack of what spears would do considering they are used for just jabbing foward..


oh and sorry for the rant :wink_smile: