Why is Almalexia's soul worth more than Vivec's?

Post » Wed Dec 15, 2010 9:29 pm

Just curious why when you trap her soul it's worth 7.5 million gold and gets you a 1500 enchantment charge, as opposed to Vivec's soul which is worth 5 million gold and nets you a 1000 enchantment charge.

Both seem quite difficult to kill, both are "false gods", I'm not seeing the need for the differing values.

Thoughts?
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Sharra Llenos
 
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Post » Wed Dec 15, 2010 2:14 pm

Maybe she had always been stronger than Vivec even before they became gods, and it stayed that way.

Or maybe Vivec had started to fade from godhood sooner than Almalexia, since he did always wear it so lightly.

Just speculations, I'd like to know the real answer too.
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Donatus Uwasomba
 
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Post » Wed Dec 15, 2010 4:25 pm

just wondering what would u store them in? grand soulgem? or
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Azura Star?
u only get one of them?
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Racheal Robertson
 
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Post » Wed Dec 15, 2010 4:48 pm

Maybe the answer lies in the fact that Alma is the last boss in a high level expansion while Vivec is just a regular fella, albeit a floating demi-god, who you aren't forced to battle in vanilla MW.
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Post » Wed Dec 15, 2010 12:50 pm

Most likely because of her struggle to become more powerful than other Tribunes, and more tenacious exposure to Heart of Lorkhan.
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Post » Thu Dec 16, 2010 2:56 am

Muthsera,

I would state that:

1. The reason that their souls are even that high of value at all is due to their divinity.

2. Their divinity had to be recharged as it declined, much like recharging a battery.

3. Ayem obviously had more "divinity" left, as shown by the higher value, which means that either (i) she was naturally capable of containing more than Vehk; (ii) she was conserving her energy; (iii) or Vehk was not being frugal with his.

I would conclude that the reason Vehk's soul was of less value than Ayem's is due to Ayem slowing losing her sanity alongside her divinity. Ayem chose to conserve her energy; she retreated from the world and did not walk amonst the people healing and whatnot anymore.

Vehk's power, on the other hand, was probably dwindling due to the massive amounts of energy that he was expending on maintaining the Ghost Fence.

These are, of course, merely my own conclusions.


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Post » Wed Dec 15, 2010 11:04 pm

just wondering what would u store them in? grand soulgem? or
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Azura Star?
u only get one of them?


Why are you hiding the Azura's Star?
Anyway, the star can be used to capture both of them since it is the most powerful soul gem and the gem that can be used multiple times.
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Juliet
 
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Post » Wed Dec 15, 2010 11:58 pm

The question is, why is MY soul worth so much more than yours? That's right: 300,00 Kaleidocule Dollars more. Now go cry yourself to sleep on your spiritually-starved mattress you pathetic insect.
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Post » Thu Dec 16, 2010 2:38 am

Maybe the answer lies in the fact that Alma is the last boss in a high level expansion while Vivec is just a regular fella, albeit a floating demi-god, who you aren't forced to battle in vanilla MW.

Yeah, this. I'd wager that Almalexia's soul is worth more for the same reason that it's harder to handle, say, the goblins beneath Mournhold than to defeat Dagoth Ur. (Well, it was harder for me, at least...)
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Post » Wed Dec 15, 2010 8:17 pm

I don't think so much thought should be put into something that seems more like a video game mechanic more than anything. Vehk was in the original game; Ayem is in an expansion. Just look at the fact that a little ass goblin is stronger than a Dremora (maybe a Drem. Lord, but I haven't played MW in a while) when it should really be quite the contrary.
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Post » Wed Dec 15, 2010 6:49 pm

The question is, why is MY soul worth so much more than yours? That's right: 300,00 Kaleidocule Dollars more. Now go cry yourself to sleep on your spiritually-starved mattress you pathetic insect.

:lmao:


Regarding the ghostgate... I thought I read somewhere that the Dunmer souls/ancestors were the things fueling the ghostgate?
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Post » Thu Dec 16, 2010 4:21 am

Maybe one day a bethesda guy thought: 'Hey guys, you know what? Morrowind players will be paying for tribunal even though it isnt as big as morrowind or as good (no offense), so why dont we make Almexias soul more expensive than Vivecs just for a bonus.' Then they remembered no trader in Tamriel has that much...I think
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Post » Thu Dec 16, 2010 5:22 am

It seems Almalexia was quite interested in both preserving her personnal power and finding alternate sources (the temple of the ancestors down Mournhold). Which makes it fairly logical she had more of her divine power at hand than Vivec - who didn't seem to play that kind of games - and a more powerfull soul as a consequence.
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Post » Thu Dec 16, 2010 3:38 am

TWM is right, Ayem is quite more powerful... before she died, of course.
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Post » Wed Dec 15, 2010 8:33 pm

Actual answer: Almalexia is a tougher fight.

Vaguely lore-ish answer: She's got two gods worth of godliness, because she stole Sotha Sil's... godliness.
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Post » Thu Dec 16, 2010 6:22 am

Vaguely lore-ish answer: She's got two gods worth of godliness, because she stole Sotha Sil's... godliness.


Although this answer does have a touch of viability, there is no basis in actual lore to suggest that Ayem acquired any additional divinity from murdering Seht.


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Post » Wed Dec 15, 2010 9:22 pm

Although this answer does have a touch of viability, there is no basis in actual lore to suggest that Ayem acquired any additional divinity from murdering Seht.
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True, but if there was an answer in the lore regarding this matter then the question would not have been asked now, would it?

The divinity of the Tribunal was drawn from the Heart, which the Nerevarine (assumed) destroyed before he met Almalexia. So logically, it is not 'divinity' which strengthens her soul, unless we 'divinity' is drawn from the belief of her followers. If that was the case, then logically Vivec would be more 'divine', as he does not isolate himself from his followers.

*Question: I thought ALL the Tribunal maintained the Ghostfence together, not just Vivec.
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Post » Thu Dec 16, 2010 8:32 am

In a sense, divinity IS drawn from belief; if no one believes in a diety, then what power does it have? I mean c'mon: the catalyst of the Tribunal quest is the fact that Almalexia wants to retain her divinity and increase both the belief of her followers AND her followers themselves.

The Heart isn't destroyed; recall that the Heart is only capable of being tapped into because of Kagrenac's enchantments on it. The ENCHANTMENTS were removed. Nothing more.

And as TWM has stated, there really ain't no basis for the "divinity-stealing" theory, though there MIGHT be a minute amount of believability in it.
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Post » Thu Dec 16, 2010 3:53 am

In a sense, divinity IS drawn from belief; if no one believes in a diety, then what power does it have? I mean c'mon: the catalyst of the Tribunal quest is the fact that Almalexia wants to retain her divinity and increase both the belief of her followers AND her followers themselves.

The Heart isn't destroyed; recall that the Heart is only capable of being tapped into because of Kagrenac's enchantments on it. The ENCHANTMENTS were removed. Nothing more.

And as TWM has stated, there really ain't no basis for the "divinity-stealing" theory, though there MIGHT be a minute amount of believability in it.


So the overarching conclusion is that she's a tougher monster then. Got it.

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Post » Thu Dec 16, 2010 5:53 am

So the overarching conclusion is that she's a tougher monster then. Got it.

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Nah. Ayem was "the most popular" of the Triunes, (see http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/varietiesoffaith.shtml) and it is the common view that faith empowered them, supplementing their divinity from the Heart.\

If that is true, then her popularity would explain the higher soul value. Additionally, empowerment through faith would explain her need to off the other Triunes; the Vivec-ophiles would turn their adoration to her and so on and so forth, empowering her even further.

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Post » Wed Dec 15, 2010 7:12 pm

As in real life, if there is a mystery that cannot be solved, it usually has to to with briasts. Almalexia simply has more room to store soul energy.
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Post » Wed Dec 15, 2010 6:03 pm

I think Almalexia stole a bit more divinity than Vivec. Notice how Vivec didn't go crazy, and she did.
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Post » Thu Dec 16, 2010 12:20 am

Didn't he? ;)
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Post » Thu Dec 16, 2010 2:42 am

Didn't he? ;)

He's a poet: he has one foot on the golden road by definition.
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Post » Wed Dec 15, 2010 10:46 pm

As in real life, if there is a mystery that cannot be solved, it usually has to to with briasts. Almalexia simply has more room to store soul energy.


Not only is that true, but is is sig worthy!
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